I do believe the recent "Adama maneuver" in last Friday's episode of> BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, "Exodus, pt 2" can be added to the list of>
As soon as I saw that, I thought of the White Star opening a jump point inside Mars' atmosphere and then buzzing the airfield in the B5 episode "Endgame".
CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND: The mothership arrives.
Hobart Floyt 22 October 2006 20:51:00 [ permanent link ]
"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message news:k7-dnQT1KrmBGqbYnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@comcast.com...>I do believe the recent "Adama maneuver" in last Friday's episode of >BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, "Exodus, pt 2" can be added to the list of>
Great moments in SF visual fx.
TITANNIC: Hold your breath.
Titanic...like the boat movie? When did that become SF?
You forgot:
_Men in Black_ FX fit the movie but did not overwhelm.
_The Ten Commandments_ Yes, the Charlton Heston one. The FX still fit the movie and hold up.
_SpaceBalls_ Hey, the SpaceBalls 1 opening shot is cool, if an obvious takeoff of _Star Wars_.
_The Fifth Element_ All of it. The art direction is simply gorgeous.
_Galaxy Quest_ Taking the ship out of space dock.
_The Last Starfighter_ Okay, the CGI looks cheap now, but it was cool in the theater.
_Battlestar Galactica_ (1978) Beautifully lit and I think I prefer models to CGI or at least use CGI for shots that models can't do.
CGI ships still have a weird "flatness" to me. Also CGI lacks "weight" and the weird slipping and sliding bugs me in situations where there is supposed to be gravity.
"Greg Bryant" <gabryant@fuse.net> wrote in message> news:C1611058.128A8%gabryant@fuse.net...>> On 10/22/06 10:58 AM, "Ken from Chicago" wrote:>>
I do believe the recent "Adama maneuver" in last Friday's episode of>>> BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, "Exodus, pt 2" can be added to the list of>>>
As soon as I saw that, I thought of the White Star opening a jump point>> inside Mars' atmosphere and then buzzing the airfield in the B5 episode>> "Endgame".>
Ken from Chicago wrote:> I do believe the recent "Adama maneuver" in last Friday's episode of > BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, "Exodus, pt 2" can be added to the list of>
Great moments in SF visual fx.>
Sure, "Luke, I am your father" is a great moment in sf, but the power of it > is just as good on the page or in audio, great moments in sf visuals require > the visual element, to wit:
Here are some more:
Movies:
KING KONG (1933 version): Kong shakes humans off a log
THE BEAST FROM 20,000 FATHOMS: Monster attacks lighthouse at night
THE INCREDIBLE SHRINKING MAN: Man vs. cat; Man vs. spider
WAR OF THE WORLDS: The first battle between the U.S. Army vs. the Martians
FANTASTIC VOYAGE: The miniaturized submarine sailing thru the blood vessels, the pleura (when Grant and Michaels have their first argument)
THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK: The walking tanks; Yoda
THE ABYSS: The Water Creature
JURASSIC PARK: The raptors
STAR TREK FIRST CONTACT: The opening pullback scene of Picard's eye
TV shows:
TIME TUNNEL: The Time Tunnel and underground complex
STAR TREK ORIGINAL SERIES: The Tholian Web
EARTH II (unsold pilot, TV movie): The orbiting space habitat; the scenes in weightlessness
SUPERTRAIN: The train leaving Grand Central Station and heading west
LOST: The plane crash in the premiere episode
and if you include fantasy movies:
WHO FRAMED ROGER RABBIT: Jessica Rabbit's nightclub song
BABE: Babe and Ferdinand conspire; Rex argues with his mate Fly
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Ken from Chicago 22 October 2006 23:44:33 [ permanent link ]
"Hobart Floyt" <AlacrityFitzhugh@WhiteShip.com> wrote in message news:12jn8bmefvop93@corp.supernews.com...>
"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:k7-dnQT1KrmBGqbYnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@comcast.com...>>I do believe the recent "Adama maneuver" in last Friday's episode of >>BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, "Exodus, pt 2" can be added to the list of>>
Great moments in SF visual fx.>
TITANNIC: Hold your breath.>
Titanic...like the boat movie? When did that become SF?>
You forgot:>
_Men in Black_ FX fit the movie but did not overwhelm.>
_The Ten Commandments_ Yes, the Charlton Heston one.> The FX still fit the movie and hold up.>
_SpaceBalls_ Hey, the SpaceBalls 1 opening shot is cool,> if an obvious takeoff of _Star Wars_.>
_The Fifth Element_ All of it. The art direction is simply> gorgeous.>
_Galaxy Quest_ Taking the ship out of space dock.>
_The Last Starfighter_ Okay, the CGI looks cheap now,> but it was cool in the theater.>
_Battlestar Galactica_ (1978) Beautifully lit and I think> I prefer models to CGI or at least use CGI for shots that> models can't do.>
CGI ships still have a weird "flatness" to me. Also CGI> lacks "weight" and the weird slipping and sliding bugs> me in situations where there is supposed to be gravity.
STAR TREK II: THE WRATH OF KHAN: "We are now entering the Mutara Nebula."
STAR WARS: ATTACK OF THE CLONES: the attack of the clones. Pioneered BSG's use of the handheld camera for CG effects.
TRON: frisbee tricks, I want to say walking the deck of the Solar Sailer, but it was mostly the foley sound effects that made that scene.
ABBOTT & COSTELLO GO TO MARS: The hardest part is the takeoff from Earth. The landing on Earth is also tough. In between, it doesn't go so good.
VALLEY OF GWANGI: Final scenes of the dinosaur in a church on fire stick with me. Did one of the recent MUMMY movies recreate THE 7TH VOYAGE OF SINBAD's skeleton fight? The scenes of Medusa in CLASH OF THE TITANS, except her imitation of a ketchup bottle. Bonus at the end when her head is pulled from the sack.
George W Harris 23 October 2006 05:48:06 [ permanent link ]
On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 17:44:12 -0400, Jack Bohn <jackbohn@bright.net> wrote:
:VALLEY OF GWANGI:
For this, I'm going to have to say the cowboy lassoing the dinosaur. Integrating the stop-action dinosaur with the live-action cowboy and the rope inbetween was way ahead of its time. -- "The truths of mathematics describe a bright and clear universe, exquisite and beautiful in its structure, in comparison with which the physical world is turbid and confused."
-Eulogy for G.H.Hardy
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Although never stated outright, I think the implication was that> Gaff was another blade runner.
No question. That's why he wasn't especially happy with Deckard being brought back in to work the case, and why he let Rachael run away with Deckard at the end.
"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> writes:>BABYLON 5: The first Earthgov Explorer class ship shows up and a teeny >Starfury does a flyby to show the scale. Sheridan's tries to park his White >Star on Z'ha'dum. A White Star creates a jump point--next to a jump gate >(aka the "Bonehead maneuver").
The Bonehead Maneuver, especially the dialogue surrounding it ("No offense!") was brilliant, but visually it was just another boom. I'm glad you mentioned it, but I still have to rank the Solar Flare maneuver from DS9, and the BSG "Galactica has atmospheric capability? Wha?" scenes a higher. * -- * PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something like corkscrews.
"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> writes:>
The Bonehead Maneuver, especially the dialogue surrounding it ("No> offense!") was brilliant, but visually it was just another boom. I'm glad> you mentioned it, but I still have to rank the Solar Flare maneuver from> DS9, and the BSG "Galactica has atmospheric capability? Wha?" scenes a> higher. *
Well, the Galactica has no atmospheric capability, anymore than a brick does (which is really what the Galactica was really emulating the other night). What the Galactica actually has is "FTL / jump" capability.
I was just surprised that they could jump in and out so quickly. Seems like recycling the jump engines always took longer than it did Friday.
Greg Bryant <gabryant@fuse.net> writes:>Well, the Galactica has no atmospheric capability, anymore than a brick does>(which is really what the Galactica was really emulating the other night).>What the Galactica actually has is "FTL / jump" capability.
I'm aware of that. But when I first saw it dropping, I'm thinking to myself "holy crap, they're pulling a voyager", but they actually did something cool. Or rather, very very hot.
I was just surprised that they could jump in and out so quickly. Seems like>recycling the jump engines always took longer than it did Friday.
They had some time during the descent to panic-charge the drives, so I'll give them that. * -- * PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something like corkscrews.
George W Harris 24 October 2006 00:00:59 [ permanent link ]
On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:25:40 -0000, pv+usenet@pobox.com (PV) wrote:
:Greg Bryant <gabryant@fuse.net> writes: :>Well, the Galactica has no atmospheric capability, anymore than a brick does :>(which is really what the Galactica was really emulating the other night). :>What the Galactica actually has is "FTL / jump" capability. : :I'm aware of that. But when I first saw it dropping, I'm thinking to :myself "holy crap, they're pulling a voyager", but they actually did :something cool. Or rather, very very hot.
Which, of course, is a goof. Heating on atmospheric reentry is due to extremely high verlocity relative to the atmosphere. If, as appeared to be the case, Galactica jumped to a high-altitude, stationary position, it would immediately start falling, but it wouldn't become red-hot any more than a skydiver does. -- Firefly Fan Since September 20th, 2002 - Browncoat Since Birth
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On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:25:40 -0000, pv+usenet@pobox.com (PV) wrote:>
:Greg Bryant <gabryant@fuse.net> writes:> :>Well, the Galactica has no atmospheric capability, anymore than a brick does> :>(which is really what the Galactica was really emulating the other night).> :>What the Galactica actually has is "FTL / jump" capability.> :> :I'm aware of that. But when I first saw it dropping, I'm thinking to> :myself "holy crap, they're pulling a voyager", but they actually did> :something cool. Or rather, very very hot.>
Which, of course, is a goof. Heating on> atmospheric reentry is due to extremely high verlocity> relative to the atmosphere. If, as appeared to be the> case, Galactica jumped to a high-altitude, stationary> position, it would immediately start falling, but it> wouldn't become red-hot any more than a skydiver> does.
The Bonehead Maneuver, especially the dialogue surrounding it ("No>> offense!") was brilliant, but visually it was just another boom. I'm>> glad you mentioned it, but I still have to rank the Solar Flare>> maneuver from DS9, and the BSG "Galactica has atmospheric capability?>> Wha?" scenes a higher. *
Or (has it been mentioned yet?) John Crichton wormholing a solar flare right into a Scarran Dreadnought.
Well, the Galactica has no atmospheric capability, anymore than a> brick does
Buckaroo Banzai: "It flies like a truck." John Parker: "Good." [pause] "What is a truck?"
The Bonehead Maneuver, especially the dialogue surrounding it ("No>>> offense!") was brilliant, but visually it was just another boom. I'm>>> glad you mentioned it, but I still have to rank the Solar Flare>>> maneuver from DS9, and the BSG "Galactica has atmospheric capability?>>> Wha?" scenes a higher. *>
Or (has it been mentioned yet?) John Crichton wormholing a solar> flare right into a Scarran Dreadnought.
Hmmmm, must of missed that episode of Lost in Space...
Well, the Galactica has no atmospheric capability, anymore than a>> brick does>
Buckaroo Banzai: "It flies like a truck."> John Parker: "Good." [pause] "What is a truck?">
-- jayembee
I think I probably pulled the brick reference from Douglas Adams Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy (original radio series, not the movie).
The Bonehead Maneuver, especially the dialogue surrounding it ("No> >> offense!") was brilliant, but visually it was just another boom. I'm> >> glad you mentioned it, but I still have to rank the Solar Flare> >> maneuver from DS9, and the BSG "Galactica has atmospheric capability?> >> Wha?" scenes a higher. *>
Or (has it been mentioned yet?) John Crichton wormholing a solar> flare right into a Scarran Dreadnought.
On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:25:40 -0000, pv+usenet@pobox.com (PV) wrote:>
:I'm aware of that. But when I first saw it dropping, I'm thinking to>:myself "holy crap, they're pulling a voyager", but they actually did>:something cool. Or rather, very very hot.>
Which, of course, is a goof. Heating on >atmospheric reentry is due to extremely high verlocity >relative to the atmosphere. If, as appeared to be the >case, Galactica jumped to a high-altitude, stationary >position, it would immediately start falling, but it >wouldn't become red-hot any more than a skydiver >does.
I think the heating comes from compressing the air under/in front of it. With a kilometers long ship, you might not need a high speed before the air underneath can't out of the way fast enough.
George W Harris 25 October 2006 01:03:29 [ permanent link ]
On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 06:35:48 -0400, Jack Bohn <jackbohn@bright.net> wrote:
:George W Harris wrote: : :>On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:25:40 -0000, pv+usenet@pobox.com (PV) wrote: :> :>:I'm aware of that. But when I first saw it dropping, I'm thinking to :>:myself "holy crap, they're pulling a voyager", but they actually did :>:something cool. Or rather, very very hot. :> :>Which, of course, is a goof. Heating on :>atmospheric reentry is due to extremely high verlocity :>relative to the atmosphere. If, as appeared to be the :>case, Galactica jumped to a high-altitude, stationary :>position, it would immediately start falling, but it :>wouldn't become red-hot any more than a skydiver :>does. : :I think the heating comes from compressing the air under/in front :of it. With a kilometers long ship, you might not need a high :speed before the air underneath can't out of the way fast enough.
Which would slow it down; that's all. You're not going to get that kind of heating without significant velocity. -- Doesn't the fact that there are *exactly* 50 states seem a little suspicious?
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Ken from Chicago 25 October 2006 02:46:01 [ permanent link ]
"George W Harris" <gharrus@mundsprung.com> wrote in message news:2rvsj2d3oa43jtv2766ohgntrh6en4vl8j@4ax.com...> On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 06:35:48 -0400, Jack Bohn <jackbohn@bright.net>> wrote:>
:George W Harris wrote:> :> :>On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:25:40 -0000, pv+usenet@pobox.com (PV) wrote:> :>> :>:I'm aware of that. But when I first saw it dropping, I'm thinking to> :>:myself "holy crap, they're pulling a voyager", but they actually did> :>:something cool. Or rather, very very hot.> :>> :> Which, of course, is a goof. Heating on> :>atmospheric reentry is due to extremely high verlocity> :>relative to the atmosphere. If, as appeared to be the> :>case, Galactica jumped to a high-altitude, stationary> :>position, it would immediately start falling, but it> :>wouldn't become red-hot any more than a skydiver> :>does.> :> :I think the heating comes from compressing the air under/in front> :of it. With a kilometers long ship, you might not need a high> :speed before the air underneath can't out of the way fast enough.>
Which would slow it down; that's all. You're> not going to get that kind of heating without significant> velocity.> --> Doesn't the fact that there are *exactly* 50 states seem a little > suspicious?>
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Googling for "friction mach 5 temperature farenheit" comes up with skin temperatures from 1,000 to 2,000 degrees Farenheit.
"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message news:k7-dnQT1KrmBGqbYnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@comcast.com...> I do believe the recent "Adama maneuver" in last Friday's episode of> BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, "Exodus, pt 2" can be added to the list of>
Great moments in SF visual fx.
BATTLESTAR GALACTICA (2003+): The first meeting where Six and the two toasters show up to meet with the Colonial rep., and the resultant destruction of that station. The bombing of Caprica (the atmospheric effects seen from space) in the miniseries. Various spacebattles. Six going suicide nuke on the Cloud Nine, as seen from the camera ship.
BABYLON 5: Shadow Battlecrabs phasing from hyperspace to normal space. Shadow Battlecrab skin effect. Mind War: Jason Ironheart's psychic walls blocking off parts of B5, his disintegration of a Psi Cop, and his eventual evolution.
CRUSADE: The Well of Forever - Galen demonstrating the location of The Well of Forever at the meeting. The Path of Sorrows: Galen getting Eilerson's attention with a fireball.
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Jack Bohn <jackbohn@bright.net> writes:>I think the heating comes from compressing the air under/in front>of it. With a kilometers long ship, you might not need a high>speed before the air underneath can't out of the way fast enough.
Correct. It's a Bernoulli's principle thing. If Galactica started out at zero velocity when it jumped and got all it's velocity in freefall at terminal velocity, heating isn't an issue. But somehow I doubt that galactica was wafting down at that speed. * -- * PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something like corkscrews.
Jack Bohn <jackbohn@bright.net> writes:>> I think the heating comes from compressing the air under/in front>> of it. With a kilometers long ship, you might not need a high>> speed before the air underneath can't out of the way fast enough.>
Correct. It's a Bernoulli's principle thing. If Galactica started out at> zero velocity when it jumped and got all it's velocity in freefall at> terminal velocity, heating isn't an issue. But somehow I doubt that> galactica was wafting down at that speed. *
The only thing I remember from physics is that if you dropped Galactica and a feather from the same height, they would both hit the ground at the same time.
David Johnston 26 October 2006 00:44:37 [ permanent link ]
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:10:50 -0400, Greg Bryant <gabryant@fuse.net> wrote:
On 10/25/06 12:40 PM, "PV" wrote:>
Jack Bohn <jackbohn@bright.net> writes:>>> I think the heating comes from compressing the air under/in front>>> of it. With a kilometers long ship, you might not need a high>>> speed before the air underneath can't out of the way fast enough.>>
Correct. It's a Bernoulli's principle thing. If Galactica started out at>> zero velocity when it jumped and got all it's velocity in freefall at>> terminal velocity, heating isn't an issue. But somehow I doubt that>> galactica was wafting down at that speed. *>
The only thing I remember from physics is that if you dropped Galactica and>a feather from the same height, they would both hit the ground at the same>time.
"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message news:k7-dnQT1KrmBGqbYnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@comcast.com...>
BABYLON 5: The first Earthgov Explorer class ship shows up and a teeny > Starfury does a flyby to show the scale. Sheridan's tries to park his > White Star on Z'ha'dum. A White Star creates a jump point--next to a jump > gate (aka the "Bonehead maneuver").
Aside from the first Starfury battle with ships pointing and firing in directions other than their vector of travel, to me the best SFX in B5 was Sheridan's fall from the core. But then I'm a tremendous fan of the space habitat designs of Gerard O'Neill, so I may be a bit prejudiced. In back of all the dazzling Kosh stuff going on was the single best view of the big, green, cylindrical interior of B5 that we ever saw in the entire series run.
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Greg Bryant <gabryant@fuse.net> writes:>The only thing I remember from physics is that if you dropped Galactica and>a feather from the same height, they would both hit the ground at the same>time.
Only outside an atmosphere, you nutty guy. * -- * PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something like corkscrews.
Sean Eric Fagan 26 October 2006 00:44:37 [ permanent link ]
In article <12jvo1u7bro2l82@news.supernews.com>, PV <pv+usenet@pobox.com> wrote:>Greg Bryant <gabryant@fuse.net> writes:>>The only thing I remember from physics is that if you dropped Galactica and>>a feather from the same height, they would both hit the ground at the same>>time.>Only outside an atmosphere, you nutty guy. *
He didn't say how large the feather was, or how much it massed.
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:10:50 -0400, Greg Bryant <gabryant@fuse.net>> wrote:>
On 10/25/06 12:40 PM, "PV" wrote:>>
Jack Bohn <jackbohn@bright.net> writes:>>>> I think the heating comes from compressing the air under/in front>>>> of it. With a kilometers long ship, you might not need a high>>>> speed before the air underneath can't out of the way fast enough.>>>
Correct. It's a Bernoulli's principle thing. If Galactica started out at>>> zero velocity when it jumped and got all it's velocity in freefall at>>> terminal velocity, heating isn't an issue. But somehow I doubt that>>> galactica was wafting down at that speed. *>>
The only thing I remember from physics is that if you dropped Galactica and>> a feather from the same height, they would both hit the ground at the same>> time.>
Unless, y'know, there was an atmosphere.>
I was actually thinking of the movies they brought back from the moon that we watched in high school physics class (which is about the only thing IN physics class that made an impression on me).
"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message> news:k7-dnQT1KrmBGqbYnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@comcast.com...>>
BABYLON 5: The first Earthgov Explorer class ship shows up and a teeny>> Starfury does a flyby to show the scale. Sheridan's tries to park his>> White Star on Z'ha'dum. A White Star creates a jump point--next to a jump>> gate (aka the "Bonehead maneuver").>
Aside from the first Starfury battle with ships pointing and firing in> directions other than their vector of travel, to me the best SFX in B5 was> Sheridan's fall from the core. But then I'm a tremendous fan of the space> habitat designs of Gerard O'Neill, so I may be a bit prejudiced. In back of> all the dazzling Kosh stuff going on was the single best view of the big,> green, cylindrical interior of B5 that we ever saw in the entire series run.
Now that I'm reminded of that, Sheridan always seemed to be taking some sort of flying leap at the end of each season.
Greg Bryant <gabryant@fuse.net> writes:>> The only thing I remember from physics is that if you dropped Galactica and>> a feather from the same height, they would both hit the ground at the same>> time.>
In article <12jvo1u7bro2l82@news.supernews.com>,> PV <pv+usenet@pobox.com> wrote:>> Greg Bryant <gabryant@fuse.net> writes:>>> The only thing I remember from physics is that if you dropped Galactica and>>> a feather from the same height, they would both hit the ground at the same>>> time.>> Only outside an atmosphere, you nutty guy. *>
He didn't say how large the feather was, or how much it massed.>
Ken from Chicago 26 October 2006 00:44:37 [ permanent link ]
"Greg Bryant" <gabryant@fuse.net> wrote in message news:C1655D20.12F9A%gabryant@fuse.net...> On 10/25/06 5:02 PM, "Mike Combs" wrote:>
"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message>> news:k7-dnQT1KrmBGqbYnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@comcast.com...>>>
BABYLON 5: The first Earthgov Explorer class ship shows up and a teeny>>> Starfury does a flyby to show the scale. Sheridan's tries to park his>>> White Star on Z'ha'dum. A White Star creates a jump point--next to a >>> jump>>> gate (aka the "Bonehead maneuver").>>
Aside from the first Starfury battle with ships pointing and firing in>> directions other than their vector of travel, to me the best SFX in B5 >> was>> Sheridan's fall from the core. But then I'm a tremendous fan of the >> space>> habitat designs of Gerard O'Neill, so I may be a bit prejudiced. In back >> of>> all the dazzling Kosh stuff going on was the single best view of the big,>> green, cylindrical interior of B5 that we ever saw in the entire series >> run.>
Now that I'm reminded of that, Sheridan always seemed to be taking some > sort> of flying leap at the end of each season.>
Like when he had trouble parking his space ship on Z'ha'dum.
Ken from Chicago 26 October 2006 00:44:37 [ permanent link ]
"Sean Eric Fagan" <sef@kithrup.com> wrote in message news:J7ppM8.H2A@kithrup.com...> In article <12jvo1u7bro2l82@news.supernews.com>,> PV <pv+usenet@pobox.com> wrote:>>Greg Bryant <gabryant@fuse.net> writes:>>>The only thing I remember from physics is that if you dropped Galactica >>>and>>>a feather from the same height, they would both hit the ground at the >>>same>>>time.>>Only outside an atmosphere, you nutty guy. *>
He didn't say how large the feather was, or how much it massed.>
Perhaps it's a feather from a neutronium roc.>
A hundred pounds of feathers or a hundred pounds of neutronium rock?
"Greg Bryant" <gabryant@fuse.net> wrote in message> news:C1655D20.12F9A%gabryant@fuse.net...>> On 10/25/06 5:02 PM, "Mike Combs" wrote:>>
"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message>>> news:k7-dnQT1KrmBGqbYnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@comcast.com...>>>>
BABYLON 5: The first Earthgov Explorer class ship shows up and a teeny>>>> Starfury does a flyby to show the scale. Sheridan's tries to park his>>>> White Star on Z'ha'dum. A White Star creates a jump point--next to a>>>> jump>>>> gate (aka the "Bonehead maneuver").>>>
Aside from the first Starfury battle with ships pointing and firing in>>> directions other than their vector of travel, to me the best SFX in B5>>> was>>> Sheridan's fall from the core. But then I'm a tremendous fan of the>>> space>>> habitat designs of Gerard O'Neill, so I may be a bit prejudiced. In back>>> of>>> all the dazzling Kosh stuff going on was the single best view of the big,>>> green, cylindrical interior of B5 that we ever saw in the entire series>>> run.>>
Now that I'm reminded of that, Sheridan always seemed to be taking some>> sort>> of flying leap at the end of each season.>>
Like when he had trouble parking his space ship on Z'ha'dum.>
-- Ken from Chicago>
I always had trouble with parallel parking. I wonder what they teach them in the 23rd century?
"Greg Bryant" <gabryant@fuse.net> wrote in message news:C16587FE.12FC9%gabryant@fuse.net...
.... and the Viper and pilot, which stayed> on the launch track and didn't flop to the ceiling.
Aren't those magnetically or mechanically held down until they are ready to launch?
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Ken from Chicago 26 October 2006 06:35:43 [ permanent link ]
"Mac Breck" <macthevorlon@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:454017ef$0$13816$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net...> "Greg Bryant" <gabryant@fuse.net> wrote in message> news:C16587FE.12FC9%gabryant@fuse.net...>
.... and the Viper and pilot, which stayed>> on the launch track and didn't flop to the ceiling.>
Aren't those magnetically or mechanically held down until they are ready> to launch?>
-- > Mac Breck (KoshN)
Gravimetrically. The Galactica has artificial gravity.
"Greg Bryant" <gabryant@fuse.net> wrote in message> news:C16585B2.12FC4%gabryant@fuse.net...>> On 10/25/06 7:05 PM, "Ken from Chicago" wrote:>>
"Greg Bryant" <gabryant@fuse.net> wrote in message>>> news:C1655D20.12F9A%gabryant@fuse.net...>>>> On 10/25/06 5:02 PM, "Mike Combs" wrote:>>>>
"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message>>>>> news:k7-dnQT1KrmBGqbYnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@comcast.com...>>>>>>
BABYLON 5: The first Earthgov Explorer class ship shows up and a teeny>>>>>> Starfury does a flyby to show the scale. Sheridan's tries to park his>>>>>> White Star on Z'ha'dum. A White Star creates a jump point--next to a>>>>>> jump>>>>>> gate (aka the "Bonehead maneuver").>>>>>
Aside from the first Starfury battle with ships pointing and firing in>>>>> directions other than their vector of travel, to me the best SFX in B5>>>>> was>>>>> Sheridan's fall from the core. But then I'm a tremendous fan of the>>>>> space>>>>> habitat designs of Gerard O'Neill, so I may be a bit prejudiced. In>>>>> back>>>>> of>>>>> all the dazzling Kosh stuff going on was the single best view of the>>>>> big,>>>>> green, cylindrical interior of B5 that we ever saw in the entire series>>>>> run.>>>>
Now that I'm reminded of that, Sheridan always seemed to be taking some>>>> sort>>>> of flying leap at the end of each season.>>>>
Like when he had trouble parking his space ship on Z'ha'dum.>>>
-- Ken from Chicago>>>
I always had trouble with parallel parking. I wonder what they teach them>> in>> the 23rd century?>
You'd think with autopilot it would be easier.>
-- Ken from Chicago>
Seen those ads for that new car that parallel parks itself? No joke, I think it's probably a Lexus.
"Greg Bryant" <gabryant@fuse.net> wrote in message> news:C16587FE.12FC9%gabryant@fuse.net...>
.... and the Viper and pilot, which stayed>> on the launch track and didn't flop to the ceiling.>
Aren't those magnetically or mechanically held down until they are ready> to launch?
Are the pilots also magnetically or mechanically held down within the cockpit? I mean, just Navy pilots catapulted off the flight decks of aircraft carriers go through a lot of G-forces. And the carrier is steaming along, mostly in the same direction as the catapulted plane.
Here, not only was the Galactica in freefall (vertical motion), but the Viper was also catapulted into horizontal flight at the same time.
Somewhere in there, mass plus momentum plus something else equals a pretty rough ride - which the human body may not be able to physically (at least in the real world) endure.
"Mac Breck" <macthevorlon@yahoo.com> wrote in message> news:454017ef$0$13816$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net...>> "Greg Bryant" <gabryant@fuse.net> wrote in message>> news:C16587FE.12FC9%gabryant@fuse.net...>>
.... and the Viper and pilot, which stayed>>> on the launch track and didn't flop to the ceiling.>>
Aren't those magnetically or mechanically held down until they are ready>> to launch?>>
-- >> Mac Breck (KoshN)>
Gravimetrically. The Galactica has artificial gravity.>
-- Ken from Chicago>
So if the ships in the fleet have artificial gravity, then why does one ship of the fleet have a rotating hull section?
David Johnston 26 October 2006 07:15:32 [ permanent link ]
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:01:40 -0400, Greg Bryant <gabryant@fuse.net> wrote:
On 10/25/06 10:35 PM, "Ken from Chicago" wrote:>
"Mac Breck" <macthevorlon@yahoo.com> wrote in message>> news:454017ef$0$13816$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net...>>> "Greg Bryant" <gabryant@fuse.net> wrote in message>>> news:C16587FE.12FC9%gabryant@fuse.net...>>>
.... and the Viper and pilot, which stayed>>>> on the launch track and didn't flop to the ceiling.>>>
Aren't those magnetically or mechanically held down until they are ready>>> to launch?>>>
-- >>> Mac Breck (KoshN)>>
Gravimetrically. The Galactica has artificial gravity.>>
-- Ken from Chicago>>
So if the ships in the fleet have artificial gravity, then why does one ship>of the fleet have a rotating hull section?
Ken from Chicago 26 October 2006 13:04:11 [ permanent link ]
"Greg Bryant" <gabryant@fuse.net> wrote in message news:C1659BD1.12FE9%gabryant@fuse.net...> On 10/25/06 10:07 PM, "Mac Breck" wrote:>
"Greg Bryant" <gabryant@fuse.net> wrote in message>> news:C16587FE.12FC9%gabryant@fuse.net...>>
.... and the Viper and pilot, which stayed>>> on the launch track and didn't flop to the ceiling.>>
Aren't those magnetically or mechanically held down until they are ready>> to launch?>
Are the pilots also magnetically or mechanically held down within the> cockpit? I mean, just Navy pilots catapulted off the flight decks of> aircraft carriers go through a lot of G-forces. And the carrier is > steaming> along, mostly in the same direction as the catapulted plane.>
Here, not only was the Galactica in freefall (vertical motion), but the> Viper was also catapulted into horizontal flight at the same time.>
Somewhere in there, mass plus momentum plus something else equals a pretty> rough ride - which the human body may not be able to physically (at least > in> the real world) endure.>
"Greg Bryant" <gabryant@fuse.net> wrote in message> news:C1659AAC.12FE3%gabryant@fuse.net...>> On 10/25/06 10:06 PM, "Ken from Chicago" wrote:>>
"Greg Bryant" <gabryant@fuse.net> wrote in message>>> news:C16585B2.12FC4%gabryant@fuse.net...>>>> On 10/25/06 7:05 PM, "Ken from Chicago" wrote:>>>>
"Greg Bryant" <gabryant@fuse.net> wrote in message>>>>> news:C1655D20.12F9A%gabryant@fuse.net...>>>>>> On 10/25/06 5:02 PM, "Mike Combs" wrote:>>>>>>
"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message>>>>>>> news:k7-dnQT1KrmBGqbYnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@comcast.com...>>>>>>>>
BABYLON 5: The first Earthgov Explorer class ship shows up and a>>>>>>>> teeny>>>>>>>> Starfury does a flyby to show the scale. Sheridan's tries to park>>>>>>>> his>>>>>>>> White Star on Z'ha'dum. A White Star creates a jump point--next to a>>>>>>>> jump>>>>>>>> gate (aka the "Bonehead maneuver").>>>>>>>
Aside from the first Starfury battle with ships pointing and firing>>>>>>> in>>>>>>> directions other than their vector of travel, to me the best SFX in>>>>>>> B5>>>>>>> was>>>>>>> Sheridan's fall from the core. But then I'm a tremendous fan of the>>>>>>> space>>>>>>> habitat designs of Gerard O'Neill, so I may be a bit prejudiced. In>>>>>>> back>>>>>>> of>>>>>>> all the dazzling Kosh stuff going on was the single best view of the>>>>>>> big,>>>>>>> green, cylindrical interior of B5 that we ever saw in the entire>>>>>>> series>>>>>>> run.>>>>>>
Now that I'm reminded of that, Sheridan always seemed to be taking>>>>>> some>>>>>> sort>>>>>> of flying leap at the end of each season.>>>>>>
Like when he had trouble parking his space ship on Z'ha'dum.>>>>>
-- Ken from Chicago>>>>>
I always had trouble with parallel parking. I wonder what they teach>>>> them>>>> in>>>> the 23rd century?>>>
You'd think with autopilot it would be easier.>>>
-- Ken from Chicago>>>
Seen those ads for that new car that parallel parks itself? No joke, I>> think>> it's probably a Lexus.>
"Greg Bryant" <gabryant@fuse.net> wrote in message> news:C1659BD1.12FE9%gabryant@fuse.net...>> On 10/25/06 10:07 PM, "Mac Breck" wrote:>>
"Greg Bryant" <gabryant@fuse.net> wrote in message>>> news:C16587FE.12FC9%gabryant@fuse.net...>>>
.... and the Viper and pilot, which stayed>>>> on the launch track and didn't flop to the ceiling.>>>
Aren't those magnetically or mechanically held down until they are ready>>> to launch?>>
Are the pilots also magnetically or mechanically held down within the>> cockpit? I mean, just Navy pilots catapulted off the flight decks of>> aircraft carriers go through a lot of G-forces. And the carrier is>> steaming>> along, mostly in the same direction as the catapulted plane.>>
Here, not only was the Galactica in freefall (vertical motion), but the>> Viper was also catapulted into horizontal flight at the same time.>>
Somewhere in there, mass plus momentum plus something else equals a pretty>> rough ride - which the human body may not be able to physically (at least>> in>> the real world) endure.>>
They have artificial gravity.>
-- Ken from Chicago>
Yeah, but when the Viper launches, the pilots are still thrown back against the seat. Would artificial gravity cancel that out?
Ken from Chicago 26 October 2006 18:46:53 [ permanent link ]
"Greg Bryant" <gabryant@fuse.net> wrote in message news:C1662D68.13056%gabryant@fuse.net...> On 10/26/06 5:04 AM, "Ken from Chicago" wrote:>
"Greg Bryant" <gabryant@fuse.net> wrote in message>> news:C1659BD1.12FE9%gabryant@fuse.net...>>> On 10/25/06 10:07 PM, "Mac Breck" wrote:>>>
"Greg Bryant" <gabryant@fuse.net> wrote in message>>>> news:C16587FE.12FC9%gabryant@fuse.net...>>>>
.... and the Viper and pilot, which stayed>>>>> on the launch track and didn't flop to the ceiling.>>>>
Aren't those magnetically or mechanically held down until they are >>>> ready>>>> to launch?>>>
Are the pilots also magnetically or mechanically held down within the>>> cockpit? I mean, just Navy pilots catapulted off the flight decks of>>> aircraft carriers go through a lot of G-forces. And the carrier is>>> steaming>>> along, mostly in the same direction as the catapulted plane.>>>
Here, not only was the Galactica in freefall (vertical motion), but the>>> Viper was also catapulted into horizontal flight at the same time.>>>
Somewhere in there, mass plus momentum plus something else equals a >>> pretty>>> rough ride - which the human body may not be able to physically (at >>> least>>> in>>> the real world) endure.>>>
They have artificial gravity.>>
-- Ken from Chicago>>
Yeah, but when the Viper launches, the pilots are still thrown back > against> the seat. Would artificial gravity cancel that out?
It depends on if the AG is uni-directional or not.
"Greg Bryant" <gabryant@fuse.net> wrote in message> news:C1662D68.13056%gabryant@fuse.net...>> On 10/26/06 5:04 AM, "Ken from Chicago" wrote:>>
"Greg Bryant" <gabryant@fuse.net> wrote in message>>> news:C1659BD1.12FE9%gabryant@fuse.net...>>>> On 10/25/06 10:07 PM, "Mac Breck" wrote:>>>>
"Greg Bryant" <gabryant@fuse.net> wrote in message>>>>> news:C16587FE.12FC9%gabryant@fuse.net...>>>>>
.... and the Viper and pilot, which stayed>>>>>> on the launch track and didn't flop to the ceiling.>>>>>
Aren't those magnetically or mechanically held down until they are>>>>> ready>>>>> to launch?>>>>
Are the pilots also magnetically or mechanically held down within the>>>> cockpit? I mean, just Navy pilots catapulted off the flight decks of>>>> aircraft carriers go through a lot of G-forces. And the carrier is>>>> steaming>>>> along, mostly in the same direction as the catapulted plane.>>>>
Here, not only was the Galactica in freefall (vertical motion), but the>>>> Viper was also catapulted into horizontal flight at the same time.>>>>
Somewhere in there, mass plus momentum plus something else equals a>>>> pretty>>>> rough ride - which the human body may not be able to physically (at>>>> least>>>> in>>>> the real world) endure.>>>>
They have artificial gravity.>>>
-- Ken from Chicago>>>
Yeah, but when the Viper launches, the pilots are still thrown back>> against>> the seat. Would artificial gravity cancel that out?>
It depends on if the AG is uni-directional or not.>
-- Ken from Chicago>
Ken, my friend, you're running rings around me logically.
Greg Bryant wrote:> On 10/26/06 11:58 AM, "Peter Trei" wrote:>
The Galactica is big, really big. How high was it when it punched out?>> Why didn't the shockwave of it's Mach 5+ approach flatten the tent city?>> Peter Trei
Supposedly 94 miles up, which puts it in a really low earth orbit - if it> had orbital velocity to sustain an orbit, which it did not.
94 miles up is where it phased in - Ken's earlier post suggested that it was only 5 miles up when it punched out, and moving at about 8,500 mph.
I'd have expect a mega-thunderclap, at the very least, about 5 seconds after it vanished.
Greg Bryant wrote:>> On 10/26/06 11:58 AM, "Peter Trei" wrote:>>
The Galactica is big, really big. How high was it when it punched out?>>> Why didn't the shockwave of it's Mach 5+ approach flatten the tent city?>>> Peter Trei>
Supposedly 94 miles up, which puts it in a really low earth orbit - if it>> had orbital velocity to sustain an orbit, which it did not.>
94 miles up is where it phased in - Ken's earlier post suggested that it> was only 5 miles up when it punched out, and moving at about 8,500 mph.>
I'd have expect a mega-thunderclap, at the very least, about 5 seconds> after it vanished.>
Peter Trei>
I'll acknowledge that it was a really cool special effect, great fun to watch, but ultimately like most special effects in most SF movies, it defies just about every law of physics imaginable.
Ken from Chicago 27 October 2006 00:52:35 [ permanent link ]
"Greg Bryant" <gabryant@fuse.net> wrote in message news:C1666C94.1309D%gabryant@fuse.net...> On 10/26/06 1:14 PM, "Peter Trei" wrote:>
Greg Bryant wrote:>>> On 10/26/06 11:58 AM, "Peter Trei" wrote:>>>
The Galactica is big, really big. How high was it when it punched out?>>>> Why didn't the shockwave of it's Mach 5+ approach flatten the tent >>>> city?>>>> Peter Trei>>
Supposedly 94 miles up, which puts it in a really low earth orbit - if >>> it>>> had orbital velocity to sustain an orbit, which it did not.>>
94 miles up is where it phased in - Ken's earlier post suggested that it>> was only 5 miles up when it punched out, and moving at about 8,500 mph.>>
I'd have expect a mega-thunderclap, at the very least, about 5 seconds>> after it vanished.>>
Peter Trei>>
I'll acknowledge that it was a really cool special effect, great fun to> watch, but ultimately like most special effects in most SF movies, it > defies> just about every law of physics imaginable.>
Behold the math based on the following video clip:
23 secs: 11,147 fps = 7,600 mph, 497,740 ft = 150,830 m = 94 mi 24 secs: 11,179 fps = 7,622 mph, 486,561 ft = 147,443 m = 92 mi 25 secs: 11,211 fps = 7,644 mph, 475,351 ft = 144,046 m = 90 mi 26 secs: 11,243 fps = 7,665 mph, 464,108 ft = 140,639 m = 88 mi 27 secs: 11,275 fps = 7,687 mph, 452,833 ft = 137,222 m = 86 mi 28 secs: 11,307 fps = 7,709 mph, 441,527 ft = 133,796 m = 84 mi 29 secs: 11,339 fps = 7,731 mph, 430,188 ft = 130,360 m = 81 mi 30 secs: 11,371 fps = 7,753 mph, 418,817 ft = 126,914 m = 79 mi 31 secs: 11,403 fps = 7,775 mph, 407,415 ft = 123,459 m = 77 mi 32 secs: 11,435 fps = 7,796 mph, 395,980 ft = 119,994 m = 75 mi 33 secs: 11,467 fps = 7,818 mph, 384,513 ft = 116,519 m = 73 mi 34 secs: 11,499 fps = 7,840 mph, 373,015 ft = 113,035 m = 71 mi 35 secs: 11,531 fps = 7,862 mph, 361,484 ft = 109,541 m = 68 mi 36 secs: 11,563 fps = 7,884 mph, 349,921 ft = 106,037 m = 66 mi 37 secs: 11,595 fps = 7,905 mph, 338,327 ft = 102,523 m = 64 mi
Helo reads out big G's status, at the (Earth's) boundary to outer space.
38 secs: 11,627 fps = 7,927 mph, 326,700 ft = 99,000 m = 62 mi 39 secs: 11,659 fps = 7,949 mph, 315,041 ft = 95,467 m = 60 mi 40 secs: 11,691 fps = 7,971 mph, 303,351 ft = 91,924 m = 57 mi 41 secs: 11,723 fps = 7,993 mph, 291,628 ft = 88,372 m = 55 mi 42 secs: 11,755 fps = 8,015 mph, 279,873 ft = 84,810 m = 53 mi 43 secs: 11,787 fps = 8,036 mph, 268,087 ft = 81,238 m = 51 mi 44 secs: 11,819 fps = 8,058 mph, 256,268 ft = 77,657 m = 49 mi 45 secs: 11,851 fps = 8,080 mph, 244,417 ft = 74,066 m = 46 mi 46 secs: 11,883 fps = 8,102 mph, 232,535 ft = 70,465 m = 44 mi 47 secs: 11,915 fps = 8,124 mph, 220,620 ft = 66,855 m = 42 mi 48 secs: 11,947 fps = 8,145 mph, 208,673 ft = 63,234 m = 40 mi 49 secs: 11,979 fps = 8,167 mph, 196,695 ft = 59,604 m = 37 mi 50 secs: 12,011 fps = 8,189 mph, 184,684 ft = 55,965 m = 35 mi 51 secs: 12,043 fps = 8,211 mph, 172,641 ft = 52,316 m = 33 mi 52 secs: 12,075 fps = 8,233 mph, 160,567 ft = 48,657 m = 30 mi 53 secs: 12,107 fps = 8,255 mph, 148,460 ft = 44,988 m = 28 mi 54 secs: 12,139 fps = 8,276 mph, 136,321 ft = 41,309 m = 26 mi 55 secs: 12,171 fps = 8,298 mph, 124,151 ft = 37,621 m = 24 mi 56 secs: 12,203 fps = 8,320 mph, 111,948 ft = 33,924 m = 21 mi 57 secs: 12,235 fps = 8,342 mph, 99,713 ft = 30,216 m = 19 mi 58 secs: 12,267 fps = 8,364 mph, 87,447 ft = 26,499 m = 17 mi 59 secs: 12,299 fps = 8,385 mph, 75,148 ft = 22,772 m = 14 mi 60 secs: 12,331 fps = 8,407 mph, 62,817 ft = 19,036 m = 12 mi 61 secs: 12,363 fps = 8,429 mph, 50,455 ft = 15,289 m = 10 mi 62 secs: 12,395 fps = 8,451 mph, 38,060 ft = 11,533 m = 7 mi 63 secs: 12,427 fps = 8,473 mph, 25,633 ft = 7,768 m = 5 mi
Btw, there was a thunderclap when Galactica jumped out as well as air being sucked into the sudden vacuum.
"Greg Bryant" <gabryant@fuse.net> wrote in message> news:C1665211.13082%gabryant@fuse.net...>> On 10/26/06 10:46 AM, "Ken from Chicago" wrote:>>
"Greg Bryant" <gabryant@fuse.net> wrote in message>>> news:C1662D68.13056%gabryant@fuse.net...>>>> On 10/26/06 5:04 AM, "Ken from Chicago" wrote:>>>>
"Greg Bryant" <gabryant@fuse.net> wrote in message>>>>> news:C1659BD1.12FE9%gabryant@fuse.net...>>>>>> On 10/25/06 10:07 PM, "Mac Breck" wrote:>>>>>>
"Greg Bryant" <gabryant@fuse.net> wrote in message>>>>>>> news:C16587FE.12FC9%gabryant@fuse.net...>>>>>>>
.... and the Viper and pilot, which stayed>>>>>>>> on the launch track and didn't flop to the ceiling.>>>>>>>
Aren't those magnetically or mechanically held down until they are>>>>>>> ready>>>>>>> to launch?>>>>>>
Are the pilots also magnetically or mechanically held down within the>>>>>> cockpit? I mean, just Navy pilots catapulted off the flight decks of>>>>>> aircraft carriers go through a lot of G-forces. And the carrier is>>>>>> steaming>>>>>> along, mostly in the same direction as the catapulted plane.>>>>>>
Here, not only was the Galactica in freefall (vertical motion), but>>>>>> the>>>>>> Viper was also catapulted into horizontal flight at the same time.>>>>>>
Somewhere in there, mass plus momentum plus something else equals a>>>>>> pretty>>>>>> rough ride - which the human body may not be able to physically (at>>>>>> least>>>>>> in>>>>>> the real world) endure.>>>>>>
They have artificial gravity.>>>>>
-- Ken from Chicago>>>>>
Yeah, but when the Viper launches, the pilots are still thrown back>>>> against>>>> the seat. Would artificial gravity cancel that out?>>>
It depends on if the AG is uni-directional or not.>>>
-- Ken from Chicago>>>
Ken, my friend, you're running rings around me logically. >>
No, it's just it's so easy to overlook the fact that they do have artificial> gravity. It's like they have a near perfert rebreather system--at least in> the Galactica.>
It's like in Star Trek we take for granted the level of power they have by> being able to fly at FTL speeds AND attack STL objects simultaneously. Add> to that transporters and replicators and TNG's starfleet ships could wipe> out pert near any other sf ship, from Star Wars' Death Star, Babylon 5's> Shadow and Vorlon starships to the Asgard and Alteran starships on Stargate.> The Ori starships might be the only thing that could challenge them, but> staff the Enterprise with a few betazeds and you could simply read their> minds.>
-- Ken from Chicago>
That's probably the real difference between BSG and Star Trek. Star Trek has always been an idealized future, where all problems can be solved (or so Gene Roddenbarry always claimed).
BSG, on the other hand has gone to great lengths to make everything as realistic as possible. I think I tend to expect more adherence to reality from BSG than I do Star Trek.
"Greg Bryant" <gabryant@fuse.net> wrote in message> news:C1666C94.1309D%gabryant@fuse.net...>> On 10/26/06 1:14 PM, "Peter Trei" wrote:>>
Greg Bryant wrote:>>>> On 10/26/06 11:58 AM, "Peter Trei" wrote:>>>>
The Galactica is big, really big. How high was it when it punched out?>>>>> Why didn't the shockwave of it's Mach 5+ approach flatten the tent>>>>> city?>>>>> Peter Trei>>>
Supposedly 94 miles up, which puts it in a really low earth orbit - if>>>> it>>>> had orbital velocity to sustain an orbit, which it did not.>>>
94 miles up is where it phased in - Ken's earlier post suggested that it>>> was only 5 miles up when it punched out, and moving at about 8,500 mph.>>>
I'd have expect a mega-thunderclap, at the very least, about 5 seconds>>> after it vanished.>>>
Peter Trei>>>
I'll acknowledge that it was a really cool special effect, great fun to>> watch, but ultimately like most special effects in most SF movies, it>> defies>> just about every law of physics imaginable.>>
Behold the math based on the following video clip:>
"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message news:MfOdna4Q85mcgt3YnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@comcast.com...>
"Mac Breck" <macthevorlon@yahoo.com> wrote in message> news:454017ef$0$13816$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net...> > "Greg Bryant" <gabryant@fuse.net> wrote in message> > news:C16587FE.12FC9%gabryant@fuse.net...> >
.... and the Viper and pilot, which stayed> >> on the launch track and didn't flop to the ceiling.> >
Aren't those magnetically or mechanically held down until they are
ready> > to launch?> >
-- > > Mac Breck (KoshN)>
Gravimetrically. The Galactica has artificial gravity.
IIRC, I remember a Viper upon landing, seeming to clamp down like some electromagnets were turned on in either its skids or the landing bay floor. Didn't seem at all like gravity, to me.
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Ken from Chicago 27 October 2006 13:46:17 [ permanent link ]
"Greg Bryant" <gabryant@fuse.net> wrote in message news:C166B7DE.13105%gabryant@fuse.net...> On 10/26/06 6:54 PM, "Ken from Chicago" wrote:>
"Greg Bryant" <gabryant@fuse.net> wrote in message>> news:C1665211.13082%gabryant@fuse.net...>>> On 10/26/06 10:46 AM, "Ken from Chicago" wrote:>>>
"Greg Bryant" <gabryant@fuse.net> wrote in message>>>> news:C1662D68.13056%gabryant@fuse.net...>>>>> On 10/26/06 5:04 AM, "Ken from Chicago" wrote:>>>>>
"Greg Bryant" <gabryant@fuse.net> wrote in message>>>>>> news:C1659BD1.12FE9%gabryant@fuse.net...>>>>>>> On 10/25/06 10:07 PM, "Mac Breck" wrote:>>>>>>>
"Greg Bryant" <gabryant@fuse.net> wrote in message>>>>>>>> news:C16587FE.12FC9%gabryant@fuse.net...>>>>>>>>
.... and the Viper and pilot, which stayed>>>>>>>>> on the launch track and didn't flop to the ceiling.>>>>>>>>
Aren't those magnetically or mechanically held down until they are>>>>>>>> ready>>>>>>>> to launch?>>>>>>>
Are the pilots also magnetically or mechanically held down within >>>>>>> the>>>>>>> cockpit? I mean, just Navy pilots catapulted off the flight decks of>>>>>>> aircraft carriers go through a lot of G-forces. And the carrier is>>>>>>> steaming>>>>>>> along, mostly in the same direction as the catapulted plane.>>>>>>>
Here, not only was the Galactica in freefall (vertical motion), but>>>>>>> the>>>>>>> Viper was also catapulted into horizontal flight at the same time.>>>>>>>
Somewhere in there, mass plus momentum plus something else equals a>>>>>>> pretty>>>>>>> rough ride - which the human body may not be able to physically (at>>>>>>> least>>>>>>> in>>>>>>> the real world) endure.>>>>>>>
They have artificial gravity.>>>>>>
-- Ken from Chicago>>>>>>
Yeah, but when the Viper launches, the pilots are still thrown back>>>>> against>>>>> the seat. Would artificial gravity cancel that out?>>>>
It depends on if the AG is uni-directional or not.>>>>
-- Ken from Chicago>>>>
Ken, my friend, you're running rings around me logically. >>>
No, it's just it's so easy to overlook the fact that they do have >> artificial>> gravity. It's like they have a near perfert rebreather system--at least >> in>> the Galactica.>>
It's like in Star Trek we take for granted the level of power they have >> by>> being able to fly at FTL speeds AND attack STL objects simultaneously. >> Add>> to that transporters and replicators and TNG's starfleet ships could wipe>> out pert near any other sf ship, from Star Wars' Death Star, Babylon 5's>> Shadow and Vorlon starships to the Asgard and Alteran starships on >> Stargate.>> The Ori starships might be the only thing that could challenge them, but>> staff the Enterprise with a few betazeds and you could simply read their>> minds.>>
-- Ken from Chicago>>
That's probably the real difference between BSG and Star Trek. Star Trek > has> always been an idealized future, where all problems can be solved (or so> Gene Roddenbarry always claimed).>
BSG, on the other hand has gone to great lengths to make everything as> realistic as possible. I think I tend to expect more adherence to reality> from BSG than I do Star Trek.>
Starbuck crashed on a planet, broke her leg and no bone knitter for her. She took weeks if not months to heal, several episodes she was out of commission. I love the scene where Adama goes over to Starbuck working out and shows how with simple barbell she wasn't ready to handle the stresses of combat flight (while demonstrating pilots are not lightweights in combat which isn't often shown in movies).
The point being, space shuttle or Apollo astronauts on reentry usually strap> themselves in so that they aren't plastered against the ceiling.
Apollo and Shuttle entries are different. Apollo turned blunt end forward and the crew were pressed into the backs of their seats by the force of the atmosphere decelerating them. The shuttle pitches up to turn the bottom of the craft forward and the crew is pressed into the bottoms of their seats by the force of the atmosphere decelerating them.
The Galactica was coming straight down, so the crew would be pressed into the floor by the deceleration, not the ceiling. It must have jumped in with a high relative velocity, because the Galactica's terminal velocity could not be fast enough to get that kind of compression heating.
In article <ehpg8t$q52$1@panix3.panix.com>, wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote:
In article <ANIM8Rfsk-82FE0D.11252823102006@news.west.cox.net>,> Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net> said:>
In article <k7-dnQT1KrmBGqbYnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@comcast.com>,> > "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nospam@comcast.net> wrote:> >
2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY: Bone to space station> >
Bone to orbiting nuke.>
Solely in the context of the movie itself, bone-to-spacecraft.> You had to read the book to know what the spacecraft was.
I never thought that was a space station. I always thought it was a satellite. Granted, there's no possible way to know what's going on without outside reading, but that's true of most of 2001.
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