Going where? I'm obviously not seeing the path you're seeing.>
I saw two ways to read it, depending on what you take as what the>student isn't sorry about.>
If she means Juliette's assessment of her back when she was in school,>maybe now the student is going to explain that having suffered through>Juliette's class, she took a good long look at herself, her goals, her>abilities, yada yada, and made some life-changing decision. So in the>long run, she's not sorry that Juliette told her the truth about her>class performance back then.>
If she means Juliette's repetition of the assessment now, maybe she's>not sorry that Juliette proved herself to still be a soulless banshee,>because this time the student had the opportunity to prove her worth.
I may be too literal-minded but I took it to mean that she "wasn't sorry" that the problem was easy enough for her to diagnose because she was able to correct it and ease the animal's suffering. In doing so I thought she might be also implying that a putative mouth-breathing dolt could figure it out yet Juliette couldn't do so herself - perhaps this is the kind of thing country farmers routinely deal with themselves without calling out the vet.
So, where's the "there" you think it might be going?
I agree, other than "mutual bitter hatred or dislike turns into friendship" and/or "Juliette must rethink her nasty attitudes towards her former students" I'm not seeing a "there" there.
In article <75qhj2lc1bc86g4a3lj3mc779unt2m00q8@4ax.com>, ronniecat <ronniecat@mycollar.ronniecat.com> wrote:
I may be too literal-minded but I took it to mean that she "wasn't> sorry" that the problem was easy enough for her to diagnose because> she was able to correct it and ease the animal's suffering. In doing> so I thought she might be also implying that a putative> mouth-breathing dolt could figure it out yet Juliette couldn't do so> herself - perhaps this is the kind of thing country farmers routinely> deal with themselves without calling out the vet.
I think based on the fact that the conversion seems not to be very tense, that your last guess is nearly correct--she was glad it was a simple diagnosis because she's sleepy and how about some coffee? Perhaps she doesn't even care about "Doc Burber" anymore, especially since she's about to soak her for a house call after hours and whatever the roll-up- your-sleeves-and-stick-your-arm-down-a-bull surcharge is. Or maybe you get one of those for free with the call....
Henry Spencer 21 October 2006 03:20:47 [ permanent link ]
In article <beede-282528.17272920102006@news.visi.com>, Mike Beede <beede@visi.com> wrote:>...especially since she's about to soak>her for a house call after hours and whatever the roll-up->your-sleeves-and-stick-your-arm-down-a-bull surcharge is.>Or maybe you get one of those for free with the call....
Probably depends on which end of the bull it was. -- spsystems.net is temporarily off the air; | Henry Spencer mail to henry at zoo.utoronto.ca instead. | henry@spsystems.net
In article <Xuc_g.319950$QM6.129063@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, <aemeijers@att.net> wrote:
"Mike Beede" <beede@visi.com> wrote in message > news:beede-282528.17272920102006@news.visi.com...> > In article <75qhj2lc1bc86g4a3lj3mc779unt2m00q8@4ax.com>,> > ronniecat <ronniecat@mycollar.ronniecat.com> wrote:> >
I may be too literal-minded but I took it to mean that she "wasn't> >> sorry" that the problem was easy enough for her to diagnose because> >> she was able to correct it and ease the animal's suffering. In doing> >> so I thought she might be also implying that a putative> >> mouth-breathing dolt could figure it out yet Juliette couldn't do so> >> herself - perhaps this is the kind of thing country farmers routinely> >> deal with themselves without calling out the vet.> >
I think based on the fact that the conversion seems not to be> > very tense, that your last guess is nearly correct--she was> > glad it was a simple diagnosis because she's sleepy and how> > about some coffee? Perhaps she doesn't even care about> > "Doc Burber" anymore, especially since she's about to soak> > her for a house call after hours and whatever the roll-up-> > your-sleeves-and-stick-your-arm-down-a-bull surcharge is.> > Or maybe you get one of those for free with the call....> >
Better 'down' a bull than 'up' a bull.....
From the viewpoint of sanitation, sure, but I don't think the "up" end can bite or hook you. I guess it can kick pretty hard, though. I'm kind of amazed that vets ever live long enough to reproduce--at least the large animal ones. Those large animals must be a lot less dangerous than they look to me. I suppose it's worse in Africa where they're likely to be called out for a rhino or hippo or some other bad-tempered extremely large reptile.
Henry Spencer 21 October 2006 04:24:48 [ permanent link ]
In article <beede-E6FE1E.18323020102006@news.visi.com>, Mike Beede <beede@visi.com> wrote:>I'm kind of amazed that vets ever live long enough to reproduce--at>least the large animal ones. Those large animals must be a lot less>dangerous than they look to me. I suppose it's worse in Africa>where they're likely to be called out for a rhino or hippo...
Neither would come to the attention of anyone but a zoo vet, since neither has ever been domesticated. The successfully domesticated animals are, almost by definition, the ones that are willing to accept humans as their social superiors, not to be attacked except in desperate emergencies.
Rhinos are notoriously cranky, but hippos actually kill more Africans than any other large animal there -- they spend the day mostly asleep in water, but by night they come out and forage, and they are then irritable and vicious.
As Jared Diamond has pointed out, rhino or hippo cavalry would make short work of soldiers mounted on mere horses. The fact that nobody has successfully domesticated them doesn't mean that nobody has tried...
some other bad-tempered extremely large reptile.
Neither of the above is a reptile. -- spsystems.net is temporarily off the air; | Henry Spencer mail to henry at zoo.utoronto.ca instead. | henry@spsystems.net
Default User 21 October 2006 09:07:13 [ permanent link ]
Henry Spencer wrote:
In article <beede-E6FE1E.18323020102006@news.visi.com>,> Mike Beede <beede@visi.com> wrote:> > I'm kind of amazed that vets ever live long enough to reproduce--at> > least the large animal ones. Those large animals must be a lot less> > dangerous than they look to me. I suppose it's worse in Africa> > where they're likely to be called out for a rhino or hippo...>
Neither would come to the attention of anyone but a zoo vet, since> neither has ever been domesticated. The successfully domesticated> animals are, almost by definition, the ones that are willing to> accept humans as their social superiors, not to be attacked except in> desperate emergencies.
Domesticated doesn't mean "tame". Bulls are plenty dangerous. My grandfather told me about the old days when you had have a bull. He said one could give you no trouble for years, then one day when you're not looking the beast knocks you down.
Brian
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On 2006-10-21, Henry Spencer <henry@spsystems.net> wrote:> In article <beede-E6FE1E.18323020102006@news.visi.com>,> Mike Beede <beede@visi.com> wrote:
some other bad-tempered extremely large reptile.>
Neither of the above is a reptile.
Cladistically they are. -- Carl Fink nitpicking@nitpicking.com
In article <slrnejje24.13c.carlf@panix2.panix.com>, Carl Fink <carl@finknetwork.com> wrote:>On 2006-10-21, Henry Spencer <henry@spsystems.net> wrote:>> In article <beede-E6FE1E.18323020102006@news.visi.com>,>> Mike Beede <beede@visi.com> wrote:>
some other bad-tempered extremely large reptile.>>
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In article <4pto81FkjogsU1@individual.net>,> Default User <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> wrote:>>
Domesticated doesn't mean "tame". Bulls are plenty dangerous. My>>grandfather told me about the old days when you had have a bull. He>>said one could give you no trouble for years, then one day when you're>>not looking the beast knocks you down.>
Which is why artificial insemination caught on as fast as it did,> despite being an abomination against nature and all that.>
Well, that and the ability to make sure that all the cows got serviced, not just the ones the bull found attractive, or could get lined up with.
On 2006-10-21, Paul Ciszek <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:>
In article <slrnejje24.13c.carlf@panix2.panix.com>,> Carl Fink <carl@finknetwork.com> wrote:>>On 2006-10-21, Henry Spencer <henry@spsystems.net> wrote:>>> In article <beede-E6FE1E.18323020102006@news.visi.com>,>>> Mike Beede <beede@visi.com> wrote:>>
some other bad-tempered extremely large reptile.>>>
Default User 22 October 2006 00:00:58 [ permanent link ]
Paul Ciszek wrote:
In article <4pto81FkjogsU1@individual.net>,> Default User <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> wrote:> >
Domesticated doesn't mean "tame". Bulls are plenty dangerous. My> > grandfather told me about the old days when you had have a bull. He> > said one could give you no trouble for years, then one day when> > you're not looking the beast knocks you down.>
Which is why artificial insemination caught on as fast as it did, > despite being an abomination against nature and all that.
That's how my grandpa felt (the convenience part). It was just nice not having to deal with bulls, especially after he started getting older.
Brian
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"peterson@SPAMnelliebly.org" <racsspam@gmail.com> wrote in news:1161423857.325975.275730@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
3. On the idea of African vets being called to treat hippos and rhinos,> well, outside of zoos I would think it would involve loading a rifle> dart with antibiotics rather than rolling up your sleeve and having a> bit of a fish around inside. Perhaps more elaborate treatment of a> tranquilized animal. But I don't imagine they very often get people> beating on the door saying "Mbwana! Come quick! Rhino, he not seem> himself!"
My sister's a zoo vet - and by all her accounts, that's pretty much the approach inside of zoos, too.
She has some pretty hairy stories: the rhino who charged her jeep (big dent), the tiger who came around much too soon (run away! run away!), the gorilla who deeply, personally, hated her (wear a raincoat and keep steel bars between at all times), and on and on.
Got by the editors, you mean? The thermometer was pretty tiny and hard to see. Which raises a question- I'm sure modern vets have digital thermometers, but even in the pre-digital era, did they use glass thermometers on large animals? I would have assumed they used something like a meat thermometer with a lower range- a metal stick with a dial indicator on the end. Anybody here on RACS know, or is that Just Too Weird to contemplate? I can't bring myself to Google it this early of a Sunday morning...
In article <slrnejke5h.lv4.carlf@panix2.panix.com>, Carl Fink <carl@finknetwork.com> wrote:>On 2006-10-21, Paul Ciszek <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:>>
In article <slrnejje24.13c.carlf@panix2.panix.com>,>> Carl Fink <carl@finknetwork.com> wrote:>>>
If you move up that chart a level you find they're both in the>"Reptiliomorhpa", the reptiles.
If you look at the page I posted, "Reptilia" (the reptiles) is a sister-group to "Synapsida", mammals and their extinct relatives. Both belong to a clade called "Amniota". Amniota and a couple of other clades belong to Reptilomorpha, which is not the same thing as Reptilia.
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On 2006-10-23, Paul Ciszek <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:>
In article <slrnejke5h.lv4.carlf@panix2.panix.com>,> Carl Fink <carl@finknetwork.com> wrote:>>On 2006-10-21, Paul Ciszek <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:>>>
In article <slrnejje24.13c.carlf@panix2.panix.com>,>>> Carl Fink <carl@finknetwork.com> wrote:>>>>
If you move up that chart a level you find they're both in the>>"Reptiliomorhpa", the reptiles.>
If you look at the page I posted, "Reptilia" (the reptiles) is a > sister-group to "Synapsida", mammals and their extinct relatives.> Both belong to a clade called "Amniota". Amniota and a couple of> other clades belong to Reptilomorpha, which is not the same thing> as Reptilia.
I did look at it. In fact, I understood everything in it before I saw it. (I mean, I do have a degree in zoology.) I disagree with your identification of the Reptilia of this particular scheme with the vernacular "reptile", in that the synapsids have always been considered reptiles. (Originally the amphibians were also classified as reptiles.) -- Carl Fink nitpicking@nitpicking.com
On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:50:48 GMT, <aemeijers@att.net> wrote:
Which raises a question- I'm sure modern vets have digital >thermometers, but even in the pre-digital era, did they use glass >thermometers on large animals? I would have assumed they used something like >a meat thermometer with a lower range- a metal stick with a dial indicator >on the end. Anybody here on RACS know, or is that Just Too Weird to >contemplate? I can't bring myself to Google it this early of a Sunday >morning...
I can't imagine using something like a meat thermometer, you would have to put your face up against the animal's butt to read the dial as a dial records the *actual* temp at the other end of the probe and drops quickly when you remove it from whatever you are testing. A mercury thermometer holds its temperature when you remove it.
jc
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Henry Spencer 24 October 2006 00:14:32 [ permanent link ]
In article <gd4qj2tmf8qs6rj4jmdutm5oudquvgoidd@4ax.com>, JC Dill <jcdill@gmail.com> wrote:>I can't imagine using something like a meat thermometer, you would>have to put your face up against the animal's butt to read the dial as>a dial records the *actual* temp at the other end of the probe and>drops quickly when you remove it from whatever you are testing. A>mercury thermometer holds its temperature when you remove it.
Only if it's designed that way (as fever thermometers are, and things like window thermometers aren't). Probably you could build a dial thermometer with a peak-hold function, or just a dial lock (so you lock it, withdraw it, and then read it), but if the mercury thermometers do the job, why bother? -- spsystems.net is temporarily off the air; | Henry Spencer mail to henry at zoo.utoronto.ca instead. | henry@spsystems.net
In article <J7Luw8.28M@spsystems.net>, henry@spsystems.net (Henry Spencer) wrote:
In article <gd4qj2tmf8qs6rj4jmdutm5oudquvgoidd@4ax.com>,> JC Dill <jcdill@gmail.com> wrote:> >I can't imagine using something like a meat thermometer, you would> >have to put your face up against the animal's butt to read the dial as> >a dial records the *actual* temp at the other end of the probe and> >drops quickly when you remove it from whatever you are testing. A> >mercury thermometer holds its temperature when you remove it.>
Only if it's designed that way (as fever thermometers are, and things> like window thermometers aren't). Probably you could build a dial> thermometer with a peak-hold function, or just a dial lock (so you lock> it, withdraw it, and then read it), but if the mercury thermometers do> the job, why bother?
In fact, I've seen such thermometers. They have two extra pointers that are pushed around by the one that actually reads the temp, but don't move back until the user does so manually.
By the way, Henry, does your email address actually work? It seems to have been down at least a few days.
Henry Spencer 29 October 2006 03:40:57 [ permanent link ]
In article <beede-0466AD.20564123102006@news.visi.com>, Mike Beede <beede@visi.com> wrote:>> ...Probably you could build a dial>> thermometer with a peak-hold function, or just a dial lock...>
In fact, I've seen such thermometers. They have two extra pointers>that are pushed around by the one that actually reads the temp, but>don't move back until the user does so manually.
Aha, that's a cute way of doing it -- hadn't thought of that.
By the way, Henry, does your email address actually work? It seems>to have been down at least a few days.
As noted in my signature, the spsystems.net address is indeed down. It used to work, and someday it will work again, but sorting out the problems is turning into a lengthy hassle and I've been short of time and energy for it. -- spsystems.net is temporarily off the air; | Henry Spencer mail to henry at zoo.utoronto.ca instead. | henry@spsystems.net
