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XYWE > Movie > Stitch Anime 24 October 2008 21:07:23

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Juan F. Lara 24 October 2008 21:07:23
 That Stitch anime series is set to premiere in Japan in October.
Disney.jp now has a website for it.

http://www.disney.c­o.jp/character/stitc­h/okinawa/index.html­

The Okinawan girl is now named Yuuna. I can't read Japanese, so I don't know
what the website says.

- Juan F. Lara
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Doug Jacobs 12 September 2008 01:55:58 permanent link ]
 In rec.arts.anime.misc­ Juan F. Lara <ljuan@ces.clemson.­edu> wrote:
That Stitch anime series is set to premiere in Japan in October.
Disney.jp now has a website for it.
The Okinawan girl is now named Yuuna. I can't read Japanese, so I don't know
what the website says.

The movie originally took place in Hawaii. This looks like a new sequel,
with Stitch and the other aliens moving to Okinawa for...some reason.


--
It's not broken. It's...advanced.
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Juan F. Lara 12 September 2008 02:00:45 permanent link ]
 In article <5JydnSTE7M5zDlTVnZ­2dnUVZ_ozinZ2d@poste­d.rawbandwidth>,
Doug Jacobs <djacobs@shell.rawb­w.com> wrote:
The movie originally took place in Hawaii. This looks like a new sequel,
with Stitch and the other aliens moving to Okinawa for...some reason.

I think it's a new continuity. Just like how "Tenchi etc" and "Digimon"
would have whole new continuities each season.

- Juan F. Lara

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Derek Janssen 12 September 2008 02:14:10 permanent link ]
 Doug Jacobs wrote:

That Stitch anime series is set to premiere in Japan in October.
Disney.jp now has a website for it.
The Okinawan girl is now named Yuuna. I can't read Japanese, so I don't know
what the website says.
The movie originally took place in Hawaii. This looks like a new sequel,
with Stitch and the other aliens moving to Okinawa for...some reason.

From the clips we've seen,
Yuuna is not an Elvis-worshipping weird...er, free-thinker, but now
seems to reflect the more cultural (and more parent-approved?)
*Japanese* image of Cute Uncontrollably Overimaginative Girl, and the
better young-Japanese role model that Lilo could never live up to--

Which, in anime's case, would be somewhere between Sana from Kodocha,
Chiyo from Azumanga Daioh, and the little girl who chased Ten-chan on UY.

Derek Janssen (Powerpuff Girls wasn't the only kids' show lost in
translation)
ejanss1@verizon.net­
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Aje RavenStar 12 September 2008 02:55:59 permanent link ]
 
"Doug Jacobs" <djacobs@shell.rawb­w.com> wrote in message
news:5JydnSTE7M5zDl­TVnZ2dnUVZ_ozinZ2d@p­osted.rawbandwidth..­.
In rec.arts.anime.misc­ Juan F. Lara <ljuan@ces.clemson.­edu> wrote:
That Stitch anime series is set to premiere in Japan in October.
Disney.jp now has a website for it.
The Okinawan girl is now named Yuuna. I can't read Japanese, so I don't
know
what the website says.
The movie originally took place in Hawaii. This looks like a new sequel,
with Stitch and the other aliens moving to Okinawa for...some reason.

To put Stitch closer to the Tokyo Tower?


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Derek Janssen 12 September 2008 03:06:29 permanent link ]
 Juan F. Lara wrote:

In article <5JydnSTE7M5zDlTVnZ­2dnUVZ_ozinZ2d@poste­d.rawbandwidth>,
Doug Jacobs <djacobs@shell.rawb­w.com> wrote:
The movie originally took place in Hawaii. This looks like a new sequel,
with Stitch and the other aliens moving to Okinawa for...some reason.
I think it's a new continuity. Just like how "Tenchi etc" and "Digimon"
would have whole new continuities each season?

Also, is it just me, or does Yuuna doing the hula look oddly like one of
Kamichu's characters trying to hula? 0_o?
http://www.youtube.­com/watch?v=YfnZBdeR­8N0

(Which brings up the point that taking the series out of Hawaii, and
keeping it inside the Empire, means that there's no longer any
kissup-correct obligation to portray Hawaiian life and culture
accurately, eg. no Nani job-searching or Ice-Cream-Guy mainlander--
And Yuuna's hula can be portrayed as Just Something Silly She Thinks
She's Doing, like Sana's rapping.)

Derek Janssen
ejanss1@verizon.net­
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Aje RavenStar 12 September 2008 06:33:20 permanent link ]
 
"Lee Ratner" <LBRatner@gmail.com­> wrote in message
news:e5d8770a-8ab3-­44bf-ad31-451ab7c714­d1@x41g2000hsb.googl­egroups.com...
On Sep 11, 6:55 pm, "Aje RavenStar" <whinebuc...@comcas­t.net> wrote:
"Doug Jacobs" <djac...@shell.rawb­w.com> wrote in message
news:5JydnSTE7M5zDl­TVnZ2dnUVZ_ozinZ2d@p­osted.rawbandwidth..­.
In rec.arts.anime.misc­ Juan F. Lara <lj...@ces.clemson.­edu> wrote:
That Stitch anime series is set to premiere in Japan in October.
Disney.jp now has a website for it.
The Okinawan girl is now named Yuuna. I can't read Japanese, so I don't
know
what the website says.
The movie originally took place in Hawaii. This looks like a new sequel,
with Stitch and the other aliens moving to Okinawa for...some reason.
To put Stitch closer to the Tokyo Tower?

You should know that in anime Tokyo or at least Japan is the
center of the earth and anything remotely interesting only happens in
Japan.


Sigh. Missed the point (all things in anime threaten the Tokyo Tower at
some point!).

And being (xxx)centric is common to all varieties of media in their
respective culture, Japan and/or anime is no particular extreme in that
regard. Plenty of examples of non-Nipponcentric anime stories. VanDread,
which doesn't take place on Earth at all; .hack//sign, doesn't take place in
mundane world; Planetes, which takes place in space; Battle of the
Stars/Crest of the Stars, Galaxy Railway 999, Saber Marionette J, Outlaw
Star, all outer space shows that don't get anywhere near Japan; Le Chevalier
D'Eon which takes place during the French monarchy; even Bo-Bobobo Bobo-bo
(and no, I don't care if I did that inaccurately), which hopefully takes
place nowhere except in someone's bad dream after eating foods strange to
them.


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Aje RavenStar 12 September 2008 07:00:30 permanent link ]
 just fixing this so the quotations are properly marked. Sheesh.

"Lee Ratner" <LBRatner@gmail.com­> wrote in message
news:e5d8770a-8ab3-­44bf-ad31-451ab7c714­d1@x41g2000hsb.googl­egroups.com...
On Sep 11, 6:55 pm, "Aje RavenStar" <whinebuc...@comcas­t.net> wrote:
"Doug Jacobs" <djac...@shell.rawb­w.com> wrote in message
news:5JydnSTE7M5zDl­TVnZ2dnUVZ_ozinZ2d@p­osted.rawbandwidth..­.
In rec.arts.anime.misc­ Juan F. Lara <lj...@ces.clemson.­edu> wrote:
That Stitch anime series is set to premiere in Japan in October.
Disney.jp now has a website for it.
The Okinawan girl is now named Yuuna. I can't read Japanese, so I
don't
know
what the website says.
The movie originally took place in Hawaii. This looks like a new
sequel,
with Stitch and the other aliens moving to Okinawa for...some reason.
To put Stitch closer to the Tokyo Tower?
You should know that in anime Tokyo or at least Japan is the
center of the earth and anything remotely interesting only happens in
Japan.


Sigh. Missed the point (all things in anime threaten the Tokyo Tower at
some point!).

And being (xxx)centric is common to all varieties of media in their
respective culture, Japan and/or anime is no particular extreme in that
regard. Plenty of examples of non-Nipponcentric anime stories. VanDread,
which doesn't take place on Earth at all; .hack//sign, doesn't take place
in
mundane world; Planetes, which takes place in space; Battle of the
Stars/Crest of the Stars, Galaxy Railway 999, Saber Marionette J, Outlaw
Star, all outer space shows that don't get anywhere near Japan; Le
Chevalier
D'Eon which takes place during the French monarchy; even Bo-Bobobo Bobo-bo
(and no, I don't care if I did that inaccurately), which hopefully takes
place nowhere except in someone's bad dream after eating foods strange to
them.


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S.t.A.n.L.e.E 12 September 2008 10:04:03 permanent link ]
 Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:00pm-0500, Aje RavenStar <whinebucket@comcas­t.net>:

just fixing this so the quotations are properly marked. Sheesh.
"Lee Ratner" <LBRatner@gmail.com­> wrote in message
news:e5d8770a-8ab3-­44bf-ad31-451ab7c714­d1@x41g2000hsb.googl­egroups.com...
On Sep 11, 6:55 pm, "Aje RavenStar" <whinebuc...@comcas­t.net> wrote:
"Doug Jacobs" <djac...@shell.rawb­w.com> wrote in message
news:5JydnSTE7M5zDl­TVnZ2dnUVZ_ozinZ2d@p­osted.rawbandwidth..­.
In rec.arts.anime.misc­ Juan F. Lara <lj...@ces.clemson.­edu> wrote:
That Stitch anime series is set to premiere in Japan in October.
Disney.jp now has a website for it.
The Okinawan girl is now named Yuuna. I can't read Japanese, so I
don't
know
what the website says.
The movie originally took place in Hawaii. This looks like a new
sequel,
with Stitch and the other aliens moving to Okinawa for...some reason.
To put Stitch closer to the Tokyo Tower?
You should know that in anime Tokyo or at least Japan is the
center of the earth and anything remotely interesting only happens in
Japan.
Sigh. Missed the point (all things in anime threaten the Tokyo Tower at
some point!).
And being (xxx)centric is common to all varieties of media in their
respective culture, Japan and/or anime is no particular extreme in that
regard.

Hey that's what's happening with the live-action Dragonball, isn't it?! ;)

Laters. =)

Stan
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Doug Jacobs 13 September 2008 00:06:18 permanent link ]
 In rec.arts.anime.misc­ Lee Ratner <LBRatner@gmail.com­> wrote:
The Japanese are not the most cosmopolitan people in the world
and when they use non-Japanese things in their pop culture, they have
a tendency to alter it to make it more friendly to the Japanese
audiences. They are experts of pandering. Turning Lilo into a genki
Okinawa girl is one example of this. What they did to Thor in Mythical
Detective Loki is another. Most depictions of Thor in European and
American culture tend to stay true the Thor of Norse mythology. He is
shown to be a big burly man, often with lots of facial hair, and he
wields his hammer with pride. This would not do for the Japanese
audience though. So in Mythical Detective Loki, Thor's form on Earth
is a beardless, average size Japanese high school boy named Narugami
who wields a boken rather than a hammer. I really like Mythical
Detective Loki and I like Narugami but I was always slightly disturbed
of the changes made to Thor to make him culturally acceptable.
Narugami is a nice character but I really can't see him as an
incarnation of Thor.

*twitch*

That's just wrong.

I now have a scene stuck in my head featuring throngs of Japanese high
school girls yelling "Suooru-kun sugoi!" during a kendo match...

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Doug Jacobs 13 September 2008 00:09:14 permanent link ]
 In rec.arts.anime.misc­ Derek Janssen <ejanss1@nospam.ver­izon.net> wrote:
Also, is it just me, or does Yuuna doing the hula look oddly like one of
Kamichu's characters trying to hula? 0_o?
(Which brings up the point that taking the series out of Hawaii, and
keeping it inside the Empire, means that there's no longer any
kissup-correct obligation to portray Hawaiian life and culture
accurately, eg. no Nani job-searching or Ice-Cream-Guy mainlander--
And Yuuna's hula can be portrayed as Just Something Silly She Thinks
She's Doing, like Sana's rapping.)

I didn't think that was the hula - but some form of Okinawan dance.

Basically, same kissup strategy, just different island and culture.

In this sense, Okinawa is Japan's "Hawaii".

It's like Japan...but it's not. It has its own culture which the Japanese
think of as exotic and charming. Now replace Japan/Japanese with
America/Americans and Okinawa with Hawaii in that previous sentence.
Works eerily well if you ask me...

--
It's not broken. It's...advanced.
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Juan F. Lara 13 September 2008 21:21:06 permanent link ]
 In article <cuOdnZEVjrD3UVfVnZ­2dnUVZ_gudnZ2d@poste­d.rawbandwidth>,
Doug Jacobs <djacobs@shell.rawb­w.com> wrote:
It's like Japan...but it's not. It has its own culture which the Japanese
think of as exotic and charming.

I think the Okinawans have their own language. They also have shirts with
flowers on them. :-)­

I'd be impressed if Yuuna and Stitch take a trip to the U.S. base in one
of these eps. Or fight a Chiropterran. :-)­

- Juan F. Lara



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Phillip Thorne 14 September 2008 01:34:19 permanent link ]
 Doug Jacobs inferred:
The movie originally took place in Hawaii. This looks like a new sequel,
with Stitch and the other aliens moving to Okinawa for...some reason.

From the substitionary school of scriptwriting, we have:

"Quick, Jumbaa! How do we get out of this [SITUATION]?"

"That will be easy, little girl. I'll just [TECH] the [TECH]."

"Oh no! Now we've been relocated to [PLACE] because of [REASON]. How
will I [EMOTIONAL INTERACTION] my [FAMILY MEMBER] now?"

But on 11sep08, Juan F. Lara disagreed:
I think it's a new continuity. Just like how "Tenchi etc" and "Digimon"
would have whole new continuities each season.

Think of it as localization. Translate the language, translate the
location, translate the cultural references. If the character and
story beats are completely different from the original, well, we're
not trying to placate the original writers. We're trying to make
money.

This raises interesting images of what localization would be like if
Disney had non-human, non-Terran customers. But probably still
visually-oriented, because expressing stories with sonic holograms or
scent-images would require a pretty dang strange shift in
institutional expertise.

--
** Phillip Thorne ** pethorne@comcast.ne­t **************
* RPI CompSci 1998 *
** underbase.livejourn­al.com *******************­********
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Antonio E . Gonzalez 14 September 2008 12:22:36 permanent link ]
 On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:21:06 +0000 (UTC), ljuan@ces.clemson.e­du (Juan
F. Lara) wrote:

In article <cuOdnZEVjrD3UVfVnZ­2dnUVZ_gudnZ2d@poste­d.rawbandwidth>,
Doug Jacobs <djacobs@shell.rawb­w.com> wrote:
It's like Japan...but it's not. It has its own culture which the Japanese
think of as exotic and charming.
I think the Okinawans have their own language. They also have shirts with
flowers on them. :-)­

You're more on track than you think: Okinawa was the heart of the
Ryukyu Kingdom. In the 17th Century, they were invaded and conquered
by Imperial Japan. Their original language and heritage faded away as
they were forced to assimilate to Japanese culture and customs; they
were officially made a prefecture of Japan in the late 19th Century.
Save a few time changes, this also pretty much what the US did with
Hawaii.

Ryukyu's most famous contribution to the world is karate, often
mistaken as Japanese; the national martial art of Japan is actually
judo, not that mainland Japanese are beyond taking up karate anyway.
After WWII, US Marines stationed in Okinawa noticed karate, liked the
brute-force style, learned it, loved it; they proceded to help spread
it around the world, making it the planet's most popular martial art.


I'd be impressed if Yuuna and Stitch take a trip to the U.S. base in one
of these eps. Or fight a Chiropterran. :-)­

Disneyfied vampires . . . now that's scary . . .



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- "Let's beat the terrorists with our most powerful weapon . . . hot girl-on-girl action!"

- "The difference between young and old is the difference between looking forward to your next birthday, and dreading it!"

- Jesus Christ - The original hippie!

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Antonio E . Gonzalez 14 September 2008 12:27:06 permanent link ]
 On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:27:29 -0700 (PDT), Lee Ratner
<LBRatner@gmail.com­> wrote:

On Sep 11, 6:55pm, "Aje RavenStar" <whinebuc...@comcas­t.net> wrote:
"Doug Jacobs" <djac...@shell.rawb­w.com> wrote in message
news:5JydnSTE7M5zDl­TVnZ2dnUVZ_ozinZ2d@p­osted.rawbandwidth..­.
In rec.arts.anime.misc­ Juan F. Lara <lj...@ces.clemson.­edu> wrote:
That Stitch anime series is set to premiere in Japan in October.
Disney.jp now has a website for it.
The Okinawan girl is now named Yuuna. I can't read Japanese, so I don't
know
what the website says.
The movie originally took place in Hawaii. This looks like a new sequel,
with Stitch and the other aliens moving to Okinawa for...some reason.
To put Stitch closer to the Tokyo Tower?
You should know that in anime Tokyo or at least Japan is the
center of the earth and anything remotely interesting only happens in
Japan.
The Japanese are not the most cosmopolitan people in the world
and when they use non-Japanese things in their pop culture, they have
a tendency to alter it to make it more friendly to the Japanese
audiences. They are experts of pandering. Turning Lilo into a genki
Okinawa girl is one example of this. What they did to Thor in Mythical
Detective Loki is another. Most depictions of Thor in European and
American culture tend to stay true the Thor of Norse mythology. He is
shown to be a big burly man, often with lots of facial hair, and he
wields his hammer with pride. This would not do for the Japanese
audience though. So in Mythical Detective Loki, Thor's form on Earth
is a beardless, average size Japanese high school boy named Narugami
who wields a boken rather than a hammer. I really like Mythical
Detective Loki and I like Narugami but I was always slightly disturbed
of the changes made to Thor to make him culturally acceptable.
Narugami is a nice character but I really can't see him as an
incarnation of Thor.

Ummm, you've really never seen the long-lived Marvel Comics version
of Thor?

<http://www.heroicw­orld.com/images/arch­etypes/image067.jpg>­

<http://www.heroicw­orld.com/images/arch­etypes/image020.gif>­

<http://www.samruby­.com/Heroes/Thor/Tho­rBright.gif>


--

- ReFlex76

- "Let's beat the terrorists with our most powerful weapon . . . hot girl-on-girl action!"

- "The difference between young and old is the difference between looking forward to your next birthday, and dreading it!"

- Jesus Christ - The original hippie!

<http://reflex76.bl­ogspot.com/>

<http://www.blogger­.com/profile/0724504­7157197572936>

Katana > Chain Saw > Baseball Bat > Hammer
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David Johnston 14 September 2008 19:13:35 permanent link ]
 On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 01:27:06 -0700, Antonio E. Gonzalez
<AntEGM111@aol.com>­ wrote:

is a beardless, average size Japanese high school boy named Narugami
who wields a boken rather than a hammer. I really like Mythical
Detective Loki and I like Narugami but I was always slightly disturbed
of the changes made to Thor to make him culturally acceptable.
Narugami is a nice character but I really can't see him as an
incarnation of Thor.
Ummm, you've really never seen the long-lived Marvel Comics version
of Thor?

Yeah but at least he had a hammer.
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Sea Wasp 14 September 2008 19:24:37 permanent link ]
 David Johnston wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 01:27:06 -0700, Antonio E. Gonzalez
<AntEGM111@aol.com>­ wrote:
is a beardless, average size Japanese high school boy named Narugami
who wields a boken rather than a hammer. I really like Mythical
Detective Loki and I like Narugami but I was always slightly disturbed
of the changes made to Thor to make him culturally acceptable.
Narugami is a nice character but I really can't see him as an
incarnation of Thor.
Ummm, you've really never seen the long-lived Marvel Comics version
of Thor?
Yeah but at least he had a hammer.

And looks very Nordic. Yes, he's not the image that the NORSE had of
Thor (and in fact they've acknowledged that several times in the
comics), but at least he makes sense as an image of Thor.

--
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/^\
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Captain Nerd 15 September 2008 05:44:47 permanent link ]
 In article <gaj9t6$rad$1@regis­tered.motzarella.org­>,
"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.inv­alid.com> wrote:

David Johnston wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 01:27:06 -0700, Antonio E. Gonzalez
<AntEGM111@aol.com>­ wrote:
is a beardless, average size Japanese high school boy named Narugami
who wields a boken rather than a hammer. I really like Mythical
Detective Loki and I like Narugami but I was always slightly disturbed
of the changes made to Thor to make him culturally acceptable.
Narugami is a nice character but I really can't see him as an
incarnation of Thor.
Ummm, you've really never seen the long-lived Marvel Comics version
of Thor?
Yeah but at least he had a hammer.
And looks very Nordic. Yes, he's not the image that the NORSE had of
Thor (and in fact they've acknowledged that several times in the
comics), but at least he makes sense as an image of Thor.

Could be worse, look what they did to King Arthur in that one
anime...

Cap.

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post at a time!
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Jack Bohn 15 September 2008 06:35:13 permanent link ]
 Aje RavenStar wrote:

And being (xxx)centric is common to all varieties of media in their
respective culture, Japan and/or anime is no particular extreme in that

I remember a scene from Doctor Who when a giant robot was going
after a large cache of nuclear missiles, a brigadier general
explained that the UN had entrusted guarding them to the British,
and the Doctor drily said, "Of course, the rest were all
foreigners."

regard. Plenty of examples of non-Nipponcentric anime stories. VanDread,
which doesn't take place on Earth at all; .hack//sign, doesn't take place
in
mundane world; Planetes, which takes place in space; Battle of the

The parts of .hack//sign that do take place IRL (... well, an
anime version of Real Life) do take place in Japan, though.
Planetes is a good example, although focusing on a Japanese
family, it does have Americans and Russians and third-world
characters.

Stars/Crest of the Stars, Galaxy Railway 999, Saber Marionette J, Outlaw
Star, all outer space shows that don't get anywhere near Japan;

Well, Crest features an exiled Japanese mutant Empire. (I'm
forgetting, wasn't Outlaw Star on the edge of a Chinese
interstellar empire?)

--
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S.t.A.n.L.e.E 15 September 2008 07:36:56 permanent link ]
 Sun, 14 Sep 2008 9:44pm-0400, Captain Nerd <cptnerd@nerdwatch.­com>:

In article <gaj9t6$rad$1@regis­tered.motzarella.org­>,
"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.inv­alid.com> wrote:
David Johnston wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 01:27:06 -0700, Antonio E. Gonzalez
<AntEGM111@aol.com>­ wrote:
is a beardless, average size Japanese high school boy named Narugami
who wields a boken rather than a hammer. I really like Mythical
Detective Loki and I like Narugami but I was always slightly disturbed
of the changes made to Thor to make him culturally acceptable.
Narugami is a nice character but I really can't see him as an
incarnation of Thor.
Ummm, you've really never seen the long-lived Marvel Comics version
of Thor?
Yeah but at least he had a hammer.
And looks very Nordic. Yes, he's not the image that the NORSE had of
Thor (and in fact they've acknowledged that several times in the
comics), but at least he makes sense as an image of Thor.
Could be worse, look what they did to King Arthur in that one
anime...

Ya talkin' about Queen Arthuria or somethin'?

Laters. =)

STan
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Invid Fan 15 September 2008 18:02:50 permanent link ]
 In article
<6d92828a-2511-4a0b­-94a2-6797c3f9fa4f@m­44g2000hsc.googlegro­ups.com>,
Lee Ratner <LBRatner@gmail.com­> wrote:

On Sep 14, 9:44pm, Captain Nerd <cptn...@nerdwatch.­com> wrote:
In article <gaj9t6$ra...@regis­tered.motzarella.org­>,
"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seaw...@sgeinc.inv­alid.com> wrote:
David Johnston wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 01:27:06 -0700, Antonio E. Gonzalez
<AntEGM...@aol.com>­ wrote:
is a beardless, average size Japanese high school boy named Narugami
who wields a boken rather than a hammer. I really like Mythical
Detective Loki and I like Narugami but I was always slightly disturbed
of the changes made to Thor to make him culturally acceptable.
Narugami is a nice character but I really can't see him as an
incarnation of Thor.
Ummm, you've really never seen the long-lived Marvel Comics version
of Thor?
Yeah but at least he had a hammer.
And looks very Nordic. Yes, he's not the image that the NORSE had of
Thor (and in fact they've acknowledged that several times in the
comics), but at least he makes sense as an image of Thor.
Could be worse, look what they did to King Arthur in that one
anime...
Cap.
If you are talking about Fate/Stay Night, that is really bad.
Not only was the change only made for fan-service purposes, it was
justified with the worse faux-feminism.

Given I saw Fate/Stay Night and don't remember an Arthur connection, it
must really be bad :)­

We could probably have an entire thread about Non-Japanese
sources/influences that have been butchered in anime. Their take on
Christianity is always a laugh, for example.

--
Chris Mack *quote under construction*
'Invid Fan'
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S.t.A.n.L.e.E 15 September 2008 21:53:30 permanent link ]
 Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:05am-0700, Lee Ratner <LBRatner@gmail.com­>:

On Sep 15, 10:02 am, Invid Fan <in...@loclanet.com­> wrote:
In article
<6d92828a-2511-4a0b­-94a2-6797c3f9f...@m­44g2000hsc.googlegro­ups.com>,
Lee Ratner <LBRat...@gmail.com­> wrote:
On Sep 14, 9:44 pm, Captain Nerd <cptn...@nerdwatch.­com> wrote:
In article <gaj9t6$ra...@regis­tered.motzarella.org­>,
"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seaw...@sgeinc.inv­alid.com> wrote:
And looks very Nordic. Yes, he's not the image that the NORSE had of
Thor (and in fact they've acknowledged that several times in the
comics), but at least he makes sense as an image of Thor.
Could be worse, look what they did to King Arthur in that one
anime...
If you are talking about Fate/Stay Night, that is really bad.
Not only was the change only made for fan-service purposes, it was
justified with the worse faux-feminism.
Given I saw Fate/Stay Night and don't remember an Arthur connection, it
must really be bad :)­
See spoilers bellow.
Fate/Stay Night Spoilers:
Saber the main character is really King Arthur. In the Fate/Stay
Night universe, King Arthur was a young woman who had to pretend to be
a man to lead her sexist subjects. This make the decision seem
feminist. The real reason was of couse because they needed a lead
woman for the lead man to get together with and for some reason they
decided not to use one of the myriad of heroines from Western
mythology. A really stupid choice IMO.

My first guess was Joan of Arc myself.

Laters. =)

Stan
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Rob Kelk 16 September 2008 01:07:28 permanent link ]
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Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:05am-0700, Lee Ratner <LBRatner@gmail.com­>:
On Sep 15, 10:02=A0am, Invid Fan <in...@loclanet.com­> wrote:
In article
<6d92828a-2511-4a0b­-94a2-6797c3f9f...@m­44g2000hsc.googlegro­ups.com>,
Lee Ratner <LBRat...@gmail.com­> wrote:
On Sep 14, 9:44=A0pm, Captain Nerd <cptn...@nerdwatch.­com> wrote:
In article <gaj9t6$ra...@regis­tered.motzarella.org­>,
=A0"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seaw...@sgeinc.inv­alid.com> wrote:
=A0 =A0And looks very Nordic. Yes, he's not the image that the NORSE had of
Thor (and in fact they've acknowledged that several times in the
comics), but at least he makes sense as an image of Thor.
=A0 =A0Could be worse, look what they did to King Arthur in that one
=A0 =A0anime...
=A0 =A0 =A0 If you are talking about Fate/Stay Night, that is really bad.
Not only was the change only made for fan-service purposes, it was
justified with the worse faux-feminism.
Given I saw Fate/Stay Night and don't remember an Arthur connection, it
must really be bad :)­
=20
See spoilers bellow.
=20
=20
Fate/Stay Night Spoilers:
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
Saber the main character is really King Arthur. In the Fate/Stay
Night universe, King Arthur was a young woman who had to pretend to be
a man to lead her sexist subjects. This make the decision seem
feminist. The real reason was of couse because they needed a lead
woman for the lead man to get together with and for some reason they
decided not to use one of the myriad of heroines from Western
mythology. A really stupid choice IMO.
=20
=20
My first guess was Joan of Arc myself.

They couldn't get Jeanne d'Arc - she's too busy "stealing"
demonically-possess­ed artwork.

http://www.animenew­snetwork.com/encyclo­pedia/anime.php?id=3­62

<sigh>


(Followups set to rec.arts.anime.misc­ only; this has drifted off-topic
for the other two groups.)

--
Rob Kelk <http://robkelk.ott­awa-anime.org/> e-mail: s/deadspam/gmail/
"I'm *not* a kid! Nyyyeaaah!" - Skuld (in "Oh My Goddess!" OAV #3)
"When I became a man, I put away childish things, including the fear
of childishness and the desire to be very grown-up." - C.S. Lewis
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David Johnston 16 September 2008 01:36:24 permanent link ]
 On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 03:34:37 -0700 (PDT), Lee Ratner
<LBRatner@gmail.com­> wrote:

On Sep 14, 9:44pm, Captain Nerd <cptn...@nerdwatch.­com> wrote:
In article <gaj9t6$ra...@regis­tered.motzarella.org­>,
"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seaw...@sgeinc.inv­alid.com> wrote:
David Johnston wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 01:27:06 -0700, Antonio E. Gonzalez
<AntEGM...@aol.com>­ wrote:
is a beardless, average size Japanese high school boy named Narugami
who wields a boken rather than a hammer. I really like Mythical
Detective Loki and I like Narugami but I was always slightly disturbed
of the changes made to Thor to make him culturally acceptable.
Narugami is a nice character but I really can't see him as an
incarnation of Thor.
Ummm, you've really never seen the long-lived Marvel Comics version
of Thor?
Yeah but at least he had a hammer.
And looks very Nordic. Yes, he's not the image that the NORSE had of
Thor (and in fact they've acknowledged that several times in the
comics), but at least he makes sense as an image of Thor.
Could be worse, look what they did to King Arthur in that one
anime...
Cap.
If you are talking about Fate/Stay Night, that is really bad.
Not only was the change only made for fan-service purposes, it was
justified with the worse faux-feminism.

They could have made that character Joan of Arc. The reason they
didn't was not for fan service but to throw in a twist.
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David Johnston 16 September 2008 01:44:52 permanent link ]
 On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 03:33:08 -0700 (PDT), Lee Ratner
<LBRatner@gmail.com­> wrote:

On Sep 14, 11:13am, David Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 01:27:06 -0700, Antonio E. Gonzalez
<AntEGM...@aol.com>­ wrote:
is a beardless, average size Japanese high school boy named Narugami
who wields a boken rather than a hammer. I really like Mythical
Detective Loki and I like Narugami but I was always slightly disturbed
of the changes made to Thor to make him culturally acceptable.
Narugami is a nice character but I really can't see him as an
incarnation of Thor.
Ummm, you've really never seen the long-lived Marvel Comics version
of Thor?
Yeah but at least he had a hammer.
He was also big and burly and like Sea Wasp said earlier, was
passible as a fictional Viking and made more sense as an incarnation
of Thor.
Depicting Thor is a beardless, average size Japanese high
school student was not necessarily a bad thing. I really doubt that
the Japanese audience, even a shounen one, would go for a bearded
major character. What I do find unacceptable was replacing Thor's
hammer with a boken. I really want to know why that decision was made.

For the same reason they chose to turn Fenris into a cute little
puppy. Even in Japan people would expect Thor to use a hammer. Humour
comes from defying people's expectations.
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Sanjian 16 September 2008 03:34:49 permanent link ]
 David Johnston wrote:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 03:33:08 -0700 (PDT), Lee Ratner
<LBRatner@gmail.com­> wrote:


Depicting Thor is a beardless, average size Japanese high
school student was not necessarily a bad thing. I really doubt that
the Japanese audience, even a shounen one, would go for a bearded
major character. What I do find unacceptable was replacing Thor's
hammer with a boken. I really want to know why that decision was
made.
For the same reason they chose to turn Fenris into a cute little
puppy. Even in Japan people would expect Thor to use a hammer. Humour
comes from defying people's expectations.

Which makes him one of the few anime characters not to use a hammer.
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David Johnston 16 September 2008 03:55:13 permanent link ]
 On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:34:49 -0400, "sanjian" <mungkb@vt.edu> wrote:

David Johnston wrote:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 03:33:08 -0700 (PDT), Lee Ratner
<LBRatn