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Boulez/CSO Mahler 7 at Carnegie Hall
Guest 12 December 2006 23:47:11
	Anyone on this newsgroup hear Boulez conducting the CSO in Mahler 7 last night? ex-neo-con
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Lenya Ryzhik 10 December 2006 23:56:09 [ permanent link ]
	On Sat, 9 Dec 2006, ex-neo-con@bonbon.net wrote: Anyone on this newsgroup hear Boulez conducting the CSO> in Mahler 7 last night?> ex-neo-con> I heard them in Chicago two weeks ago or so. I was a bit taken aback by how lackluster it sounded to me. Was the Carnegie Hall performance much better? Lenya
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Larry Rinkel 11 December 2006 06:00:20 [ permanent link ]
	"Lenya Ryzhik" <ryzhik@math.uchicago.edu> wrote in message newsine.LNX.4.64.0612101454510.6495@otepaa.uchicago.edu...> On Sat, 9 Dec 2006, ex-neo-con@bonbon.net wrote:> Anyone on this newsgroup hear Boulez conducting the CSO>> in Mahler 7 last night?>> ex-neo-con>> I heard them in Chicago two weeks ago or so. I was a bit taken aback by > how lackluster it sounded to me. Was the Carnegie Hall performance much > better?> Lenya> I wouldn't say "lackluster" specifically, but it struck me as a typical but not outstanding Boulez evening. Everything was in place, everything was in bright, clear colors; but somehow it didn't penetrate to me emotionally as other performances of the 7th have. I like, for example, a bit more schmaltz in the Alma theme from the first movement, Ю la Lenny. I prefer to resist the clichИ that Boulez is "cold," but perhaps this once it was appropriate.
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Guest 11 December 2006 11:14:15 [ permanent link ]
	On Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:00:20 -0500, "Larry Rinkel" <LR@optunderline.net> wrote: I wouldn't say "lackluster" specifically, but it struck me as a typical but >not outstanding Boulez evening. Everything was in place, everything was in >bright, clear colors; but somehow it didn't penetrate to me emotionally as >other performances of the 7th have. Just like his performance last year (?) with the LSO. It left me uninvolved while admiring the balances and playing. Its such a tricky symphony to get right. MTT did a much better job a few years back. Of late I've found a lot to love in the dead slow, perversely angular Klemperer recording! The inner movements are hypnotically slow. He clearly intended it to be lethargic. The outer movement have heft and for a change a lot of details creeps through the textures even if the orchestra sound like they are rehersing ensemble at 1/2 tempo !
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Larry Rinkel 11 December 2006 16:10:06 [ permanent link ]
	"Heck51" <dgallagher4@comcast.net> wrote in message news:1165806347.564921.259730@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...> Larry Rinkel wrote:> << I like, for example, a bit more schmaltz>> in the Alma theme from the first movement, >>> Larry - are we talking about Mahler 6 or 7 here??> I know where you're coming from. I'd be more precise in calling it simply the second subject of the first movement, but as it is close in character to the Alma theme in #6, I've always tended to think of the second subject in #7 as being an Alma theme as well.
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Larry Rinkel 11 December 2006 16:22:18 [ permanent link ]
	<neil@thump.org> wrote in message news:1k4qn2hvhjesalb70qltcbuv1pgl97ons0@4ax.com...> On Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:00:20 -0500, "Larry Rinkel"> <LR@optunderline.net> wrote:> I wouldn't say "lackluster" specifically, but it struck me as a typical >>but>>not outstanding Boulez evening. Everything was in place, everything was in>>bright, clear colors; but somehow it didn't penetrate to me emotionally as>>other performances of the 7th have.> Just like his performance last year (?) with the LSO. It left me> uninvolved while admiring the balances and playing. Its such a tricky> symphony to get right. MTT did a much better job a few years back.> Of late I've found a lot to love in the dead slow, perversely angular> Klemperer recording! The inner movements are hypnotically slow. He> clearly intended it to be lethargic. The outer movement have heft and> for a change a lot of details creeps through the textures even if the> orchestra sound like they are rehersing ensemble at 1/2 tempo ! I heard MTT do it in San Francisco, but I can't recall my reaction to the performance per se as the acoustics in Louise Davies Hall (my only experience there) struck me as so oddly balanced that I couldn't focus fully on the music. The best Mahler 7 I have heard live, a truly evocative experience in the middle movements especially, was under Simon Rattle here in NY. I can't recall whether that was with the Philharmonic or another orchestra. As for the Klemperer recording, the least said about it the better, imo. And as for Boulez's Mahler, I still consider his recent performances of 3 and 6 (VPO and LSO respectively) at Carnegie to be among my outstanding concert memories.
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Gerard 11 December 2006 19:05:52 [ permanent link ]
	rayblass@sumbum.net wrote:> I also heard the Boulez/M7 in Chicago a few weeks ago, and don't> recall ever hearing it sound as lifeless and desiccated in live> performances or in recordings. Why Boulez selects do ANY Mahler is a> puzzle to me, given his lack of affinity for the composer. I disagree with your last sentence. Boulez had shown a great affinity for the music of Mahler since decades.
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Reality Chick 11 December 2006 19:10:50 [ permanent link ]
	<rayblass@sumbum.net> wrote in message news:9dvqn2t6ee8ices9ktljt5q6hn04bgnie7@> I also heard the Boulez/M7 in Chicago a few weeks ago, and don't> recall ever hearing it sound as lifeless and desiccated in live> performances or in recordings. Why Boulez selects do ANY Mahler is a> puzzle to me, given his lack of affinity for the composer. He does it because it's 'a challenge'. Same as all those lifeless and wrong-headed Schoenberg performances and recordings he did in the '70s. He didn't like that music (and he had essentially nothing to say about it artistically), but it was 'challenging' to get the notes right and in tune. On such painfully slender supports does this 'giant' of contemporary interpretation rest... M.
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Reality Chick 11 December 2006 21:17:20 [ permanent link ]
	<david7gable@aol.com> wrote in message news:1165857622.742378.251670@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...> Reality Chick wrote:> [Boulez] does [Mahler] because it's 'a challenge'. Same as all those >> lifeless and>> wrong-headed Schoenberg performances and recordings he did in the '70s. >> He>> didn't like that music (and he had essentially nothing to say about it>> artistically), but it was 'challenging' to get the notes right and in >> tune.> Have you heard the Domaine musical Pierrot lunaire from the early 60's?> The Jakobsleiter on Sony? The Accompaniment to a Film Scene on Sony?> The live BBC SO Mahler 2nd? Any one of a number of live performances> of Mahler's 3rd? The live BBC SO Mahler 8th? If you base your opinion> on the all-star Pierrot lunaire with Zukerman, Barenboim, et al or the> DG Mahler recordings, you haven't heard the real Boulez.> His 'Jakobsleiter' is a disgrace: at the very start the tempo is spectacularly wrong, and the rhythm and metre are catastrophically misrepresented. And at the start of the 'Begleitmusik' recording, shockingly, we hear a basic motif fluffed. These recordings, in short, are not even competent. Boulez is a hopeless Schoenberg conductor, and nothing other than people's deep and persisting ignorance about Schoenberg's scores allows him to appear as 'a great Schoenberg conductor'. M.
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Paul Ilechko 11 December 2006 22:18:37 [ permanent link ]
	david7gable@aol.com wrote: Have you heard the Domaine musical Pierrot lunaire from the early 60's?> The Jakobsleiter on Sony? The Accompaniment to a Film Scene on Sony?> The live BBC SO Mahler 2nd? Any one of a number of live performances> of Mahler's 3rd? The live BBC SO Mahler 8th? If you base your opinion> on the all-star Pierrot lunaire with Zukerman, Barenboim, et al or the> DG Mahler recordings, you haven't heard the real Boulez. On the contrary, she has heard one version of the real Boulez, but there is evidence that there are others. I don't think you can blame all of Boulez's unremarkable recordings on DG alone. It's not just recording, it's also interpretation.
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Reality Chick 12 December 2006 16:01:52 [ permanent link ]
	"Larry Rinkel" <LR@optunderline.net> wrote in message news:eLxfh.88$oR3.28@newsfe08.lga...> "Reality Chick" <Reality Chick@home.com> wrote in message > news:Qghfh.8349$n36.984@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...>> <david7gable@aol.com> wrote in message >> news:1165857622.742378.251670@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...>>> Reality Chick wrote:>>> [Boulez] does [Mahler] because it's 'a challenge'. Same as all those >>>> lifeless and>>>> wrong-headed Schoenberg performances and recordings he did in the '70s. >>>> He>>>> didn't like that music (and he had essentially nothing to say about it>>>> artistically), but it was 'challenging' to get the notes right and in >>>> tune.>>> Have you heard the Domaine musical Pierrot lunaire from the early 60's?>>> The Jakobsleiter on Sony? The Accompaniment to a Film Scene on Sony?>>> The live BBC SO Mahler 2nd? Any one of a number of live performances>>> of Mahler's 3rd? The live BBC SO Mahler 8th? If you base your opinion>>> on the all-star Pierrot lunaire with Zukerman, Barenboim, et al or the>>> DG Mahler recordings, you haven't heard the real Boulez.>>> His 'Jakobsleiter' is a disgrace: at the very start the tempo is >> spectacularly wrong, and the rhythm and metre are catastrophically >> misrepresented. And at the start of the 'Begleitmusik' recording, >> shockingly, we hear a basic motif fluffed. These recordings, in short, >> are not even competent. Boulez is a hopeless Schoenberg conductor, and >> nothing other than people's deep and persisting ignorance about >> Schoenberg's scores allows him to appear as 'a great Schoenberg >> conductor'.>> M.>> Whatever validity your individual points may have is undercut by your > broad, sweeping, ad hominem generalizations. Like I really care what you think... M.
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Larry Rinkel 12 December 2006 16:02:03 [ permanent link ]
	"Reality Chick" <Reality Chick@home.com> wrote in message news:Qghfh.8349$n36.984@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...> <david7gable@aol.com> wrote in message > news:1165857622.742378.251670@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...>> Reality Chick wrote:>> [Boulez] does [Mahler] because it's 'a challenge'. Same as all those >>> lifeless and>>> wrong-headed Schoenberg performances and recordings he did in the '70s. >>> He>>> didn't like that music (and he had essentially nothing to say about it>>> artistically), but it was 'challenging' to get the notes right and in >>> tune.>> Have you heard the Domaine musical Pierrot lunaire from the early 60's?>> The Jakobsleiter on Sony? The Accompaniment to a Film Scene on Sony?>> The live BBC SO Mahler 2nd? Any one of a number of live performances>> of Mahler's 3rd? The live BBC SO Mahler 8th? If you base your opinion>> on the all-star Pierrot lunaire with Zukerman, Barenboim, et al or the>> DG Mahler recordings, you haven't heard the real Boulez.>> His 'Jakobsleiter' is a disgrace: at the very start the tempo is > spectacularly wrong, and the rhythm and metre are catastrophically > misrepresented. And at the start of the 'Begleitmusik' recording, > shockingly, we hear a basic motif fluffed. These recordings, in short, are > not even competent. Boulez is a hopeless Schoenberg conductor, and nothing > other than people's deep and persisting ignorance about Schoenberg's > scores allows him to appear as 'a great Schoenberg conductor'.> M.> Whatever validity your individual points may have is undercut by your broad, sweeping, ad hominem generalizations.
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Paul Ilechko 12 December 2006 17:01:40 [ permanent link ]
	Reality Chick wrote: Like I really care what you think... then why bother posting?
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Reality Chick 12 December 2006 17:32:28 [ permanent link ]
	"Paul Ilechko" <pilechko@patmedia.net> wrote in message news:4u7r23F16tob7U1@mid.individual.net...> Reality Chick wrote:> Like I really care what you think...> then why bother posting? The obvious reason: I have important things to say. Now stop trying to waste my time, and go play with your ego. M.
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Richard Schultz 12 December 2006 18:12:32 [ permanent link ]
	In rec.music.classical.recordings Reality Chick <Reality Chick@home.com> wrote: : The obvious reason: I have important things to say. Now stop trying to waste : my time, and go play with your ego. I see that things that you have to say are so important that you are unwilling to attach your name to them. ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "You go on playing Bach your way, and I'll go on playing him his way." -- Wanda Landowska
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Reality Chick 12 December 2006 18:41:44 [ permanent link ]
	"Richard Schultz" <schultr@mail.biu.ack.il> wrote in message news:elmgt0$ncf$5@news.iucc.ac.il...> In rec.music.classical.recordings Reality Chick <Reality Chick@home.com> > wrote:> : The obvious reason: I have important things to say. Now stop trying to > waste> : my time, and go play with your ego.> I see that things that you have to say are so important that you are> unwilling to attach your name to them.> So many egos; so many schoolmarms -- and so few posters interested in actual details of actual performances of actual pieces... M.
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Richard Schultz 12 December 2006 18:55:47 [ permanent link ]
	In rec.music.classical.recordings Reality Chick <Reality Chick@home.com> wrote: : "Richard Schultz" <schultr@mail.biu.ack.il> wrote in message : news:elmgt0$ncf$5@news.iucc.ac.il... :> In rec.music.classical.recordings Reality Chick <Reality Chick@home.com> :> wrote: :> : The obvious reason: I have important things to say. :> I see that things that you have to say are so important that you are :> unwilling to attach your name to them. : So many egos; so many schoolmarms -- and so few posters interested in actual : details of actual performances of actual pieces... So many trolls, and so few of them with any talent for it. . . ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time." -- The French Knight
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Richard Schultz 12 December 2006 18:57:57 [ permanent link ]
	In rec.music.classical.recordings makropulos <makropulos@gmail.com> wrote: : Richard Schultz wrote: :> I see that things that you have to say are so important that you are :> unwilling to attach your name to them. : : I don't think attaching a name makes any different. The poster uses a : posting name for this group, just as I and others do, for whatever : reasons. Frankly, I tend to believe that one should have the courage of one's convictions. And I say that as someone who greatly respects one former poster who insisted on posting under a pseudonym (although to be perfectly honest, I think that the pseudonym in that case was fairly transparent). ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "an optimist is a guy/ that has never had/ much experience"
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Larry Rinkel 13 December 2006 03:07:45 [ permanent link ]
	"Reality Chick" <Reality Chick@home.com> wrote in message news:04zfh.9782$Qa6.1222@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net... The obvious reason: I have important things to say. If so, why are you hanging around the Internet?
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Richard Schultz 13 December 2006 09:03:34 [ permanent link ]
	In rec.music.classical.recordings John_Hauser19@msn.com wrote: : (troll is interesting how it developed; Nordic associations : like many of the computer words; why troll?; why not just idiot or : "superficial lazy person with a wisenheimer (sic?) comment." Hauser The term "troll" goes back at least to the time that I started posting, some two decades ago. It refers to "trolling," which is fishing by attaching bait to a line and dragging the line through the water. "Trolling" on usenet is deliberately posting provocative opinions for no reason other than to provoke a reaction, i.e., trolling for responses as a fisherman trolls for fish. ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "an optimist is a guy/ that has never had/ much experience"
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Reality Chick 18 December 2006 22:37:45 [ permanent link ]
	"Soundfield" <dondrewecki@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1166463715.145915.192080@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...>I agree about that Sixth from the Boulez 2000 tour. He was superb, and> the LSO played it sensationally. I was all the way up on top, off to> the right, and it made a great impact, especially the hammer blows.> How many hammer blows, if I may ask...? M.
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