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Manco 14 May 2008 18:38:57
 since I'm on an Abbey Road kick today, why was John so resentful that Paul
wouldn't let him sing lead on this song?


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Jeff - 9 May 2005 01:29:26 permanent link ]
 
manco_dollars@net.­com (Manco) >>since I'm on an Abbey Road kick today, why >>was John so resentful that Paul wouldn't let >>him sing lead on this song?

Because John thought he could have sang this song better than Paul.

Jeff

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Jeff - 9 May 2005 07:21:01 permanent link ]
 
fattuchus@yahoo.co­m >>John said he could have sung it better. Also, >>I believe John really liked rock and roll >>songs as opposed to the vaudeville stuff >>Paul would also write like Maxwell's Silver >>Hammer, and John would have enjoyed >>belting out Oh Darling. >>I have a question: does anyone know the >>date that John told Paul "I'm leaving" and the >>date that Oh Darling was written and >>recorded? >>Some people have interpreted Oh Darling as >>a song that Paul wrote really for John . . . .

WHAT????
sometimes when he sings it sounds like he >>is singing "Oh Johnny." not "Oh Darling"

No it doesn't. I've never heard in sound like that in my entire Life.

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NoTomorrow 9 May 2005 12:23:03 permanent link ]
 "Jeff -" <Yourimageunreels@w­ebtv.net> wrote in message
news:28200-427ED71D­-16@storefull-3334.b­ay.webtv.net...>>>fa­ttuchus@yahoo.com>>>­John said he could have sung it better. Also,> >>I believe John really liked rock and roll> >>songs as opposed to the vaudeville stuff> >>Paul would also write like Maxwell's Silver> >>Hammer, and John would have enjoyed> >>belting out Oh Darling.>>>I have a question: does anyone know the> >>date that John told Paul "I'm leaving" and the> >>date that Oh Darling was written and> >>recorded?>>>Some people have interpreted Oh Darling as> >>a song that Paul wrote really for John . . . .>
WHAT????>
sometimes when he sings it sounds like he> >>is singing "Oh Johnny." not "Oh Darling">
No it doesn't. I've never heard in sound like that in my entire Life.>
Jeff>
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You spend every day on this newsgroup, how did you miss this?



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Dahldude 9 May 2005 12:59:59 permanent link ]
 In article <1115611481.803310.­25230@z14g2000cwz.go­oglegroups.com>,
"tom@aerovons.com" <tom@aerovons.com> wrote:
John could not have sung the bridge to "Oh! Darling," fanciful thinking> on his part;)

Quite so and I wish that he would have redone his scream on "She's So
Heavy"- maybe double-tracked a la "Meat City".
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Paramucho 9 May 2005 16:49:27 permanent link ]
 On Mon, 09 May 2005 08:59:59 GMT, dahldude
<dahldude@aoNOSPAMM­AGEl.com> wrote:
In article <1115611481.803310.­25230@z14g2000cwz.go­oglegroups.com>,> "tom@aerovons.com" <tom@aerovons.com> wrote:>
John could not have sung the bridge to "Oh! Darling," fanciful thinking>> on his part;)>
Quite so and I wish that he would have redone his scream on "She's So >Heavy"- maybe double-tracked a la "Meat City".

That's what I used to think. Meanwhile, I think it was the affect he
was trying to achieve.

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Jeff - 9 May 2005 19:29:45 permanent link ]
 
WHAT???? >>sometimes when he sings it sounds like he is >>singing "Oh Johnny." not "Oh Darling" >>No it doesn't. I've never heard in sound like >>that in my entire Life. >>Jeff >>You spend every day on this newsgroup, >>how did you miss this?

I don't believe it sounds anything like ""Oh Johnny."

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Jeff - 9 May 2005 22:13:58 permanent link ]
 
fattuchus@yahoo.co­m >>Dear Jeff, >>Don't go by me. I'm deaf.

Dear Fattuchus,
Don't go by me. I have wax in my ears.

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Danny Caccavo 10 May 2005 07:50:17 permanent link ]
 In article <1115664773.302803.­47300@o13g2000cwo.go­oglegroups.com>,
sammykeith2003@yaho­o.com wrote:
fattuc...@yahoo.com­ wrote:>
I have a question: does anyone know the date that John told Paul "I'm> > leaving" and the date that Oh Darling was written and recorded?> >
Some people have interpreted Oh Darling as a song that Paul wrote> > really for John . . . . sometimes when he sings it sounds like he is> > singing "Oh Johnny." not "Oh Darling">
Also, maybe this is why McCartney sings Oh Darling with such passion> and intensity. He knew he was losing a very important friendship and> partner.>

That's kind of reading into it, I think.

dc
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Mad Dan 10 May 2005 08:47:12 permanent link ]
 On Mon, 09 May 2005 20:49:53 -0700, Danny Caccavo
<dcaccavonojunk@com­cast.net> wrote:

I agree. It was John saying, "hey, *I* could do that better," >essentially. And there's no way he could have. Maybe in '65, but not in >'69.>
dc


Really?

Don't you think the "Don't Let Me Down" voice would have done it?

(I do)
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Mc05 10 May 2005 19:10:56 permanent link ]
 
<sammykeith2003@yah­oo.com> wrote in message
news:1115737668.415­331.244460@f14g2000c­wb.googlegroups.com.­..>
Danny Caccavo wrote:> > In article <1115664773.302803.­47300@o13g2000cwo.go­oglegroups.com>,> > sammykeith2003@yaho­o.com wrote:> >
fattuc...@yahoo.com­ wrote:> > >
I have a question: does anyone know the date that John told Paul> "I'm> > > > leaving" and the date that Oh Darling was written and recorded?> > > >
Some people have interpreted Oh Darling as a song that Paul wrote> > > > really for John . . . . sometimes when he sings it sounds like he> is> > > > singing "Oh Johnny." not "Oh Darling"> > >
Also, maybe this is why McCartney sings Oh Darling with such> passion> > > and intensity. He knew he was losing a very important friendship> and> > > partner.> > >
That's kind of reading into it, I think.>
Maybe, but I still think it's possible the song was written for John.> They sometimes used their songs to say things to each other, don't you> agree?>
Here's what John said about the line about Paul in Glass Onion:>
"That line was a joke, you know. That line was put in partly because I> was feeling guilty because I was with Yoko, and I knew I was finally> high and dry. In a perverse way, I was sort of saying to Paul, "Here,> have this crumb, have this illusion, have this stroke--because I'm> leaving you."

While this quote is true, it does not mean any every and any line can be
attributed to the same sort of motive. Dong so, as Danny says, is simply
reading into it things that are not there.>


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Mc05 10 May 2005 21:40:40 permanent link ]
 
<fattuchus@yahoo.co­m> wrote in message
news:1115746834.030­064.300490@o13g2000c­wo.googlegroups.com.­..> I think O Darling was written for John. In the song there is a line> "I'll Never Let you Down." I believe this is a response to John's song> Don't Let me Down.

Man do you people play fast and loose with reality.



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Mc05 10 May 2005 22:10:22 permanent link ]
 
<sammykeith2003@yah­oo.com> wrote in message
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MC05 wrote:> > <sammykeith2003@yah­oo.com> wrote in message> > news:1115737668.415­331.244460@f14g2000c­wb.googlegroups.com.­..> > > leaving you."> >
While this quote is true, it does not mean any every and any line can> be> > attributed to the same sort of motive.>
Right, but only a fool would suggest that any and every line can be> attributed to that sort of motive.

My point being that some will interpret fanciful explanations for things
they have absolutely no knowledge of. I suppose everyone likes to do that
to a degree, as long as people don't start believing their own fantasies.


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Mc05 10 May 2005 22:14:27 permanent link ]
 
<fattuchus@yahoo.co­m> wrote in message
news:1115748855.205­380.133680@f14g2000c­wb.googlegroups.com.­..> Dear Sammy,>
Yes, he does sing that line with emphasis. Further, I still> believe if you listen to the song, Paul does not say the word "Darling"> very clearly. To me it sounds or can be interpreted as "Johnnie">
Further, Paul, at least in later years, would record songs with> subtle messages for John like the Ram album and arguably Wings Wild> Life. So this was his modis operendi.

sigh

There is simply no talking to people.>


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Mc05 11 May 2005 00:29:41 permanent link ]
 
"donz5" <donz5@aol.com> wrote in message
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sammykeith wrote:

Also I'm sure everyone's heard of how when Paul first played>Hey Jude for John, John insantly concluded Paul had written it for
him. Maybe there was >already a habit of Paul saying things to John
through>his songs?


It's more a matter of others putting things into Paul's lyrics that
weren't there.

You know, we keep on suggesting this and they just keep right on creating
scenarios out of thin air.

Hell, after a while even a cow will get the idea if you hit it in the head
enough.


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Mc05 11 May 2005 00:31:30 permanent link ]
 
<sammykeith2003@yah­oo.com> wrote in message
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donz5 wrote:> > sammykeith wrote:> >
?Also I'm sure everyone's heard of how when Paul first played> > >Hey Jude for John, John insantly concluded Paul had written it for> > him. Maybe there was >already a habit of Paul saying things to John> > through> > >his songs?> >
It's more a matter of others putting things into Paul's lyrics that> > weren't there.>
You keep saying that but I'm not convinced. It's obvious from John's> reaction to HJ that he believed Paul would say things to him through> his songs. He knew McCartney better than you do.

Absurd "logic". Like any fan John thought he recognized himself in the
lyrics. This is not unique, nor is it a good enough reason to invent entire
lives for people you don't have a clue about.>


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Mc05 11 May 2005 00:32:18 permanent link ]
 
<sammykeith2003@yah­oo.com> wrote in message
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donz5 wrote:> > sammykeith2 wrote:> >
Do you have the date for when John first performed Don't Let Me Down> > for the others?> >
John had only the chorus chords down on January 2, when he and George> > played it. At this stage it was indistinguishable from the beginning> of> > "Sun King." Also at this stage, the only lyrics played with were the> > title words,>
The words "don't let me down." So it is possible that Paul's "I won't> Let you Down" line in Oh Darling was a response to John.>
Oh and where are you getting all these dates? Is it one of the> Lewisohn books?

Unlike you donz doesn't need to make them up out of thin air.>


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Mc05 11 May 2005 01:02:14 permanent link ]
 
<sammykeith2003@yah­oo.com> wrote in message
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MC05 wrote:> > <sammykeith2003@yah­oo.com> wrote in message> > news:1115756849.925­914.147600@o13g2000c­wo.googlegroups.com.­..> > >
donz5 wrote:> > > > sammykeith2 wrote:> > > >
Do you have the date for when John first performed Don't Let Me> Down> > > > for the others?> > > >
John had only the chorus chords down on January 2, when he and> George> > > > played it. At this stage it was indistinguishable from the> beginning> > > of> > > > "Sun King." Also at this stage, the only lyrics played with were> the> > > > title words,> > >
The words "don't let me down." So it is possible that Paul's "I> won't> > > Let you Down" line in Oh Darling was a response to John.> > >
Oh and where are you getting all these dates? Is it one of the> > > Lewisohn books?> >
Unlike you donz doesn't need to make them up out of thin air.> > >
What date have I made up out of thin air?

Semantics. I never said 'date'.>
Maybe I'll buy one of Lewisohn's books so I'll know the dates too.

donz can speak for himself, but I'm sure he has many different resources, as
many of us do, to go to.>


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Mc05 11 May 2005 01:09:08 permanent link ]
 
<sammykeith2003@yah­oo.com> wrote in message
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MC05 wrote:> > <sammykeith2003@yah­oo.com> wrote in message> > news:1115757764.380­408.133280@f14g2000c­wb.googlegroups.com.­..> > >
He thought Paul was specifically writing to him.> >
Please prove that.>
He says in the Playboy interview "I always interpreted it as a song to> me.">
Are you paraphrasing or is that his exact wording?

I don't mean to be rude, honestly, but when people ignore the> evidence (or> > LACK of it) and invent their own little scenes, well, it's kind of> sad to> > me.>
Your friend in this thread gave evidence that John played Don't Let Me> Down for the others before Paul played Oh Darling. I didn't ignore> that evidence.

Indeed? Well, good.>


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Mc05 11 May 2005 01:38:47 permanent link ]
 
<sammykeith2003@yah­oo.com> wrote in message
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MC05 wrote:> > <sammykeith2003@yah­oo.com> wrote in message> > news:1115758387.845­848.202330@f14g2000c­wb.googlegroups.com.­..> > >

Maybe I'll buy one of Lewisohn's books so I'll know the dates too.> >
donz can speak for himself, but I'm sure he has many different> resources, as> > many of us do, to go to.>
What resources do you use?


Like most people, books. Books that have passed the test of time or are
written by solid people. No vultures (Goldman, Guiliano, Seaman, etc.).

Interviews, Anthology, various websites that have things available to see or
listen to or download to study.

And I have had to backtrack on cherished fables of my own over the years
after having these things proven to me here that it was the opposite of what
I thought. I'd rather know what the truth is than hold onto some cherished
myth, no matter how important to me it is.>


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Mc05 11 May 2005 07:13:39 permanent link ]
 
"donz5" <donz5@aol.com> wrote in message
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sammykeith wrote:


I'm going to do some reading. Then I'll get back to this thread.
Hope>what you've told me checks out.


You are beginning to sound like Sergeant Friday.


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Mc05 11 May 2005 17:42:20 permanent link ]
 
<fattuchus@yahoo.co­m> wrote in message
news:1115804574.969­866.146010@o13g2000c­wo.googlegroups.com.­..> Dear Sammy,>
Your regard to your remark "your getting angry isn't going to> change my mind." you are right on point.>
You will learn that, sadly, there are certain characters here who> resort to name calling, insults, etc. when they don't get their way.>
I really enjoy a pleasant exchange of ideas even if someone> politely disagrees. However, some people don't see it that way. If you> don't agree with them, they decide you are "stupid."

Do you disagree that there are actual stupid people in the world? And do
you find that many people who do nothing more than bang their head against a
wall are considered rather dim by the bulk of the population who have half a
wit? Do you realize that no one else controls your own stupidity but
yourself (this includes me as well)?

I thought not.



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Mc05 11 May 2005 20:08:51 permanent link ]
 
<fattuchus@yahoo.co­m> wrote in message
news:1115827501.772­790.37640@g47g2000cw­a.googlegroups.com..­.> Dear MC,>
With regard to your comment "Do you disagree that there are> actual stupid people in the world? etc.">
Of course there are stupid people in this world, but just because> someone disagrees with you or anyone else here does not mean they are> stupid.

It's not a matter of simple disagreement. I have no problem with that. It
is the parroting of misinformation based on one's fantasies. And
repeatedly. Then one does indeed get incensed.
If you want to disagree with me or anyone else, fine, but we do> not need to learn that "even if you hit a cow in the head it will get> an idea." So you are subtly comparing other people here to cow brains?

Yes, was that too subtle for you? :)­>
Your opinions are valuable and worth while. But don't get angry> with other people here if they disagree with you. And don't suggest we> are stupid, cow brains, etc.

If someone tells me the sky is green and I can show that it is not yet they
rabbit on about how it IS green and how it got that way and what they think
hapened...well, the cow analogy still applies.>


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Mc05 11 May 2005 20:29:13 permanent link ]
 
<fattuchus@yahoo.co­m> wrote in message
news:1115828421.238­625.321940@f14g2000c­wb.googlegroups.com.­..> Dear MC,>
Well, I guess you and I have to agree to disagree. Calling> people names or being rude almost never accomplishes anything other> than making people annoyed at you. And the pursuasiveness of your> arguments will be diminished, not only in this Topic, but in other> topics at rmb.>
I do admire your honesty. If you disagree with someone and> think they are stupid, at least you're blunt about it. But sometimes> diplomacy goes a long long way.>
Sometimes it is better if you bite your angry tongue, and think> more carefully about how you express yourself. If you disagree> politely, the other person is more likely to appreciate yoru poiint of> view.>
Sarcasm and nasty remarks are lively and entertaining at times.>
I guess it is up to you to decide why you are posting here. Is> it to show off your temper or your comic wit? Fine, then make all the> angry, sarcastic remarks you want.>
Is it to exchange ideas, make friends, engage in an> entertaining disagreement, etc.? Then you should temper your posts a> bit.

Look, you post your way and I'll post mine.

With people who are polite I am quite polite, until they start being
obnoxious. One can be -quite- obnoxious with fake, over the top politeness,
especially when they ignore everything of substance others tell them.
Killing with kindness as it were.

Yes, we disagree. Not entirely, I have agreed with you on many things,
perhaps not seeming like it to you because one is less inclined to post
every time one agrees with something vs. when one disagrees with something.

My points all stand. If you create fantasies of other's lives in a public
forum with no more proof than 'a feeling' then you'd better expect to be
challenged on it. And if you can be shown you're wrong yet still netter on
as if nothing was said then your obtuseness is more than enough of a reason
for scorn.





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Mc05 11 May 2005 22:16:14 permanent link ]
 
<fattuchus@yahoo.co­m> wrote in message
news:1115828421.238­625.321940@f14g2000c­wb.googlegroups.com.­..> Dear MC,>
Well, I guess you and I have to agree to disagree. Calling> people names or being rude almost never accomplishes anything other> than making people annoyed at you.

Oh, you mean like your posts aimed at Yoko Ono, a person you've never met
nor corresponded with yet seem to have all the answers about? The names you
call her are justified HOW...?


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Mc05 11 May 2005 22:39:59 permanent link ]
 
<sammykeith2003@yah­oo.com> wrote in message
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fattuc...@yahoo.com­ wrote:> > Dear Sammy,> >
Your regard to your remark "your getting angry isn't going to> > change my mind." you are right on point.> >
You will learn that, sadly, there are certain characters here> who> > resort to name calling, insults, etc. when they don't get their way.>
There are some angry people out there. And maybe a few obsessives.> Anyway, I've ordered a few books, including the Sulpy one at my> library. They should get them in in a few days. If I find anything> that rules out the theory in this thread I'll say so. But if the> theory holds up I won't reject it just to make others feel better.>
I doubt anyone really cares that much.


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Danny Caccavo 14 May 2005 21:59:53 permanent link ]
 In article <r4f081hkeg9qmm4k4c­1s23q3328cidec7o@4ax­.com>,
Mad Dan <mad_dan@fastmail.f­m> wrote:
On Mon, 09 May 2005 20:49:53 -0700, Danny Caccavo> <dcaccavonojunk@com­cast.net> wrote:>
I agree. It was John saying, "hey, *I* could do that better," > >essentially. And there's no way he could have. Maybe in '65, but not in > >'69.> >
Really?>
Don't you think the "Don't Let Me Down" voice would have done it?>
(I do)

No way.

John's voice had lost alot of it's elasticity and range by then
(actually, he never had the range to do it in that key anyway). Paul
nailed "Oh! Darling" - John wouldn't have come close.

dc
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Danny Caccavo 14 May 2005 22:00:52 permanent link ]
 In article <1115707641.190608.­5840@o13g2000cwo.goo­glegroups.com>,
fattuchus@yahoo.com­ wrote:
Actually, I recently listened to Oh Darling from the Beatles Anthology.> Of course, that was a rough outtake. However, I think the best version> would have been one where Paul sang lead and John did harmony as we can> hear on Beatles Anthology 3.>

Funny how when John does harmony, it all sounds like "Bring it on home,"
doesn't it?

dc
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Malto 15 May 2005 18:43:23 permanent link ]
 
"Danny Caccavo" <dcaccavonojunk@com­cast.net> wrote in message
news:dcaccavonojunk­-1DE871.110052140520­05@comcast.dca.gigan­ews.com...> In article <1115707641.190608.­5840@o13g2000cwo.goo­glegroups.com>,> fattuchus@yahoo.com­ wrote:>
Actually, I recently listened to Oh Darling from the Beatles Anthology.> > Of course, that was a rough outtake. However, I think the best version> > would have been one where Paul sang lead and John did harmony as we can> > hear on Beatles Anthology 3.> >
Funny how when John does harmony, it all sounds like "Bring it on home,"> doesn't it?

Um, no it doesn't.



LOL!



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Son of Jones 15 May 2005 21:36:44 permanent link ]
 Why was Paul required to give John a pass at every hard number he wrote?
What did John give to Paul? John wanted a piece of WDWDIITR as well. You
sing a song first, it becomes "yours". I still think of Fool On The Hill
as a Brazil '66 song. Screw John. Maybe Paul could have done a nice
Julia, but we'll never know and that's the way it should be.


SO Jones

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Guest 14 May 2008 18:38:57 permanent link ]
 They've pretty much admitted it's about them.

In "Get Back: The Unauthorized Chronicles of the Beatles' Let It Be Disaster, 1997", while John and Paul are a working out the lyrics for "Two of Us," Paul mentions the connected themes of '"Get Back," "Two of Us," "Don't Let Me Down" and "Oh! Darling." John agrees, and jokes that he and Paul need to be lovers for "Oh! Darling!". Paul says that he was planning to wear a skirt in the show in any case.

Of course they were only joking about it being romantic, but to do that, the fact that it was about them must have been established.
~Maga S.
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