Its been odd because I often TRY very hard to sit and listen to Joe Pass, especially on the duo CDs. I am liking player more and more, but often he sounds bored on the records, but I got a copy of Sophisticated Lady last night and I really enjoyed this one, both he and Ella seem "awake" as it were, its nice!
<ottguit@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1123696063.281229.10880@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...> Have you heard the "Chops" Duo with NHO Pederson.> Bg>
Willie K. Yee 11 August 2005 00:07:58 [ permanent link ]
Not true (unless you don't count me as a musician, which is arguable). "Take Love Easy" is so laid back, it does sound like they are both ready to fall asleep. Halfway through that CD, so am I. I was as surprised as anyone to react to a JP recording that way.
On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:33:22 -0400, Joey Goldstein <nospam@nowhere.net> wrote:
"Mr.Will" wrote:>>
but often he>> sounds bored on the records,>
What an odd thing to say.>I'll bet you that you're probably the only musician you'll ever>encounter who feels that way about JP.>
On his latest album there are some tracks where he records with different vocalists - though I still prefer his solo playing to those tunes.
Its all a question of taste though, I was lucky to come into it at a time when Tuck Andress was my entry into the world of guitar/vocal duo. Im sure that if you are "jazz first, guitar second" in terms of priority you would love the Joe Pass/Ella albums, and all the Joe Pass stuff. I tend to think I am the other way around in terms of priority, so even though it may be great jazz, it feels dynamically flat to my ears.
Mr.Will
"Elektrik Hendrik" <ahendrik@kabelfoon.nl> wrote in message news:1123711717.826870.177380@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...> Ok, everything (almost) by Tuck and Patti, i know.> Has Martin Taylor ever recorded in a duo setting with a vocalist?>
I did like seeing John and Jeanne Pisano perform as a duo both in Wrexham and in LA. I don't think I ever got hold of their records though.
Mr.Will
"Elektrik Hendrik" <ahendrik@kabelfoon.nl> wrote in message news:1123711717.826870.177380@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...> Ok, everything (almost) by Tuck and Patti, i know.> Has Martin Taylor ever recorded in a duo setting with a vocalist?>
Ben McDonnell 11 August 2005 02:34:23 [ permanent link ]
FOR DJANGO absolute killer solo on the first track, this is IMHO the definative JP album, i love it.
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"Mr.Will" <mr.will@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:3iqKe.2680$6i5.1744@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...> Its been odd because I often TRY very hard to sit and listen to Joe Pass,> especially on the duo CDs. I am liking player more and more, but often he> sounds bored on the records, but I got a copy of Sophisticated Lady last> night and I really enjoyed this one, both he and Ella seem "awake" as it> were, its nice!>
Wow! I agree with Joey. It was actually BECAUSE of Joe Pass that I developed an appreciation of jazz guitar which then transfered to other players and other instruments.........as a relatively new listener there is still so much to learn ---opinions expressed on this board are often disconcerting, but nonetheless, enriching.....! "different strokes"- -A
"Joey Goldstein" <nospam@nowhere.net> wrote in message news:42FA4873.BD238FBE@nowhere.net...>
"Mr.Will" wrote:>>
but often he>> sounds bored on the records,>
What an odd thing to say.> I'll bet you that you're probably the only musician you'll ever> encounter who feels that way about JP.>
Perhaps I am becoming more familiar with the jazz guitar sound of Joe Pass etc. Thats a possibility. Whatever it is, Im glad that I actually found something I liked from said Joe Pass.
Mr.Will
"paul" <pcsanwald@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1123716181.685714.183910@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...> not that this is the case w/mr. will, but when I first started> listening to jazz I thought all jazz guitarists sounded pretty boring.> I loved the energy of the coltrane quartet though, my first jazz record> was "live at birdland".>
typically artists with large recorded output are bound to have a few less than satisfactory outings..even Joe.. given the consensual high regard for JP's contribution to jazz guitar it would behoove one to review as much material as possible...if his harmonic mastery, technical facility and swingin' feel still don't float your boat..at least you've thrown him a fair toss.. peace rick
"Mr.Will" <mr.will@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:sksKe.2482$9b6.2446@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...>
"Joey Goldstein" <nospam@nowhere.net> wrote in message> news:42FA4873.BD238FBE@nowhere.net...>>
"Mr.Will" wrote:>> >
but often he>> > sounds bored on the records,>>
What an odd thing to say.>> I'll bet you that you're probably the only musician you'll ever>> encounter who feels that way about JP.>>
there are some really good duo tracks on Martin's Two's Company CD
tombrown@jhu.edu wrote:> Elektrik Hendrik wrote:>
So which Joe/Ella albums are worth buying?>
None of the Joe-Ella records are as good as they were live. I rarely> listen to these.>
Are there other guitar/vocal duo albums worth getting?>
Ron Eschete did one with Dewey Erney, but I doubt you'll ever find it.> It's great for hearing how to work a guitar in a duo situation.>
Martin Taylor's latest has three duo tracks with singers, but only one> of the tracks do I like--the one with Sasha Distel. The other two vocal> tracks I always skip past.>
. "markr" <jazzbo75@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1123716641.978744.5010@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...> not that this is the case w/mr. will, but when I first started> listening to jazz I thought all jazz guitarists sounded pretty boring.> I loved the energy of the coltrane quartet though, my first jazz record>
was "live at birdland".>
I can't think of a jazz guitar equivalent of Coltrane's Live at> Birdland...then or now.>
"Mr.Will" <mr.will@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:3iqKe.2680$6i5.1744@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...> Its been odd because I often TRY very hard to sit and listen to Joe Pass,> especially on the duo CDs. I am liking player more and more, but often he> sounds bored on the records, but I got a copy of Sophisticated Lady last> night and I really enjoyed this one, both he and Ella seem "awake" as it> were, its nice!
As I've probably mentioned in other posts, I really believe that listening to recordings is not always a very good indicator of how someone plays. A recording is just like a photograph. It's not the real thing, just a representation, frozen in time.
For me the best way to listen to recordings is to pick one song that I really like, and listen to it repeatedly, over a period of days (or even weeks). My ears can get inside all the little nooks and crannies, and start to hear all kinds of things that I would never have time to pick out in a live performance. That, to me, is the strength of a recording (vs. live). It shines more as a learning tool.
When I REALLY want to enjoy a performer, I go to hear them live. There's just no comparison.
Having heard Joe Pass live on a number of occasions, I never once felt bored (nor did I ever get the feeling that he was!)
Joe's not around, but there are plenty of great guitar players to hear. Go see them in person.
"Rick Stone" <rickstone@rickstone.com> wrote in message news:xxKKe.6078$D4.3638@trndny07...> "Mr.Will" <mr.will@ntlworld.com> wrote in message> news:3iqKe.2680$6i5.1744@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...> > Its been odd because I often TRY very hard to sit and listen to Joe Pass,> > especially on the duo CDs. I am liking player more and more, but often
sounds bored on the records, but I got a copy of Sophisticated Lady last> > night and I really enjoyed this one, both he and Ella seem "awake" as it> > were, its nice!>
As I've probably mentioned in other posts, I really believe that listening> to recordings is not always a very good indicator of how someone plays. A> recording is just like a photograph. It's not the real thing, just a> representation, frozen in time.>
For me the best way to listen to recordings is to pick one song that I> really like, and listen to it repeatedly, over a period of days (or even> weeks). My ears can get inside all the little nooks and crannies, and
start> to hear all kinds of things that I would never have time to pick out in a> live performance. That, to me, is the strength of a recording (vs. live).> It shines more as a learning tool.>
When I REALLY want to enjoy a performer, I go to hear them live. There's> just no comparison.>
Having heard Joe Pass live on a number of occasions, I never once felt
bored> (nor did I ever get the feeling that he was!)>
Joe's not around, but there are plenty of great guitar players to hear.
see them in person.>
Musically Yours,> Rick Stone> website: http://www.rickstone.com> Listen to clips from my new CD "Samba de Novembro" with Tardo Hammer,
Totally right Rick - I will be at the Wrexham school and festival next week - every year some fantastic players! Just for the record, I totally agree re: watching a player vs. listening to a recording. Its the same in listening to African music or Brazillian, you have the right CONTEXT when you go and see them perform. Studio stuff CAN sometimes be lacking due to the impersonal nature of it. Im not saying that always is the case, but certainly I felt that about alot of what I heard of Joe Pass. However, when I bought his instructional video from hotlicks (how persistent am I!), he does an intro and I'm spellbound just watching and watching - the guy sounds like magic.
So yes, context is all. Perhaps this is why I like this album - it does say its a live recording.
Willie K. Yee 13 August 2005 01:38:35 [ permanent link ]
On 10 Aug 2005 16:45:48 -0700, "tombrown@jhu.edu" <tombrown@jhu.edu> wrote:
Are there other guitar/vocal duo albums worth getting?>
Sarah Vaughn with Mundell Lowe (alright, there's a bass player too so it is not quite a duo) After Hours is my favorite of all of them, even though i don not particularly like the first and last tracks - everything in between is a textbook on jazz guitar accompaniment.. Be careful, there is a Sony release with the same title that is pop stuff with strings.
"Willie K. Yee, MD" <wkyee@bestweb.net> skrev i en meddelelse news:42fd1619.183924468@nntp.bestweb.net...> On 10 Aug 2005 16:45:48 -0700, "tombrown@jhu.edu" <tombrown@jhu.edu>> wrote:>
Are there other guitar/vocal duo albums worth getting?>>
Sarah Vaughn with Mundell Lowe (alright, there's a bass player too so> it is not quite a duo) After Hours is my favorite of all of them, even> though i don not particularly like the first and last tracks -> everything in between is a textbook on jazz guitar accompaniment.. Be> careful, there is a Sony release with the same title that is pop stuff> with strings.>
On the Carmen McRae album "Lover Man and Other Billie Holiday Classics" (Columbia CK 65115), she does "Strange Fruit" with Mundell Lowe. The rest of the record is with full band: Nat Adderly, Eddie "Lockjaw", Norman Simmons, Bob Cranshaw and Walter Perkins. Great album, IMHO the best ever album from CM.
