Cole and Kim actually kill some of the jokes here by trying too hard to sell them. <

PLACEMENT NOTE

With the inclusion of the scripts, uniform continuity becomes an

actual issue. "Visitors" therefore must come within the run of "gray

uniform" episodes preceding "To the Ends of the Earth." With that

consideration, I felt it best to place it shortly before the end of

the brief "gray uniform" run ?

jph...@aol.com wrote:

Wandering far astray of the thread here, I don't get all the fuss over

the changing uniform colors anyway. Why is it so hard to think that

they just keep both in their closets and wear a different color for a

different day of the week or something?

I just don't think it needs to be a defining (or confusing) factor when

figuring out the sequence of episodes. I mean, the uniform change in S3

of B5 is a pretty defining thing, but in Crusade? Not so much...

Quite honestly, if you're only using the transmitted episodes, the

sequence I came up with originally is probably best. However, with

the unfilmed scripts, there is no practical way to ignore the uniform

issue, as downright silly as it might seem.

jph...@aol.com wrote:

To my recollection (and granted, I haven't watched Crusade right through

in a long time), the only place it's even MENTIONED in the show is when

the "image consultants" make the change in the first place... beyond

that, I can't think of any place (at least in the produced episodes)

that the color of the uniforms is actually relevant to ANYTHING. I

suppose that's why I don't get the whole fuss about it.

I mean, personally, I didn't even notice when they first made the change

- I remember the whole bit with the image consultants, but their

changing the uniforms seemed about as significant at the time as, say,

someone noticing that a Picasa has been hung upside-down and flipping it

over. If it hadn't been for the subsequent fanboi-style debates over it

all, I never would have given it a second thought, so I don't get why

anyone else has either.

On Apr 27, 1:48 pm, Matt Ion <soundy...@gmail.co­m> wrote:

I'll repeat: I'd 100% agree if I was only using the completed, filmed,

transmitted episodes. But with the unfilmed scripts - in which the

uniform change IS EXPLICITLY MADE AN ISSUE by the teaser for "To the

Ends of the Earth" - my only choices are to not include the script

(and I'm including it), to close my eyes and pretend that page-and-a-

half of script doesn't exist (unacceptable), or to revise my sequence

to acknowledge the uniform change.

One question that I keep coming back to is why JMS felt a need to make

this episode, and most particularly to make it one of the first

episodes out the gate. It seems to me that, in the first season of a

show (a notoriously difficult time for any series ? even spinoffs -

most of which frankly don?t make it), that you should be establishing

your series and characters. There?s absolutely a place for a filler

episode that sends up the conventions of another genre show. But that

place is in the second or third season; that place is certainly not as

one of the first episodes filmed of a brand new series.

jphalt@aol.com wrote:

I'm not picking on your reviews or methods, just kind of speaking

generally about this whole "uniform" topic. There's been an ongoing

debate almost since the start about the "proper" sequence of episodes,

with Joe even listing his specific preference. There are ways THE STORY

makes sense, and yet people get hung up on which uniforms they're

wearing on which days. It's almost like, for some, the only thing that

matters is whether the uniforms are in the right sequence, regardless of

how the storyline works, regardless of what Joe says.

Not saying that's you, just saying, it's been made a way bigger deal

than it really should be. <<

Matt, it rarely happens, but I have to completely agree with you on this.

Moreover, "Crusade" was always intended to be a far more episodic

series. I'm sure that, if the show had run five years, there would have

been more episodes like "Visitors" -- perhaps even a few more specific

satires. Indeed, one thing I miss in modern television is the old

tradition of putting an occasional comic episode into a drama, like "The

Trouble with Tribbles" -- or "Hoss and the Leprechauns".

(in article <fv2uf8$48...@regis­tered.motzarella.org­>):

Matt, it rarely happens, but I have to completely agree with you on this.

Amy

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"In my line of work you gotta keep repeating things over and over and over

again for the truth to sink in, to kinda catapult the propaganda." - George

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I'll continue to write the reviews - with 18 reviews left, it would be

silly not to - and I'll still post them to my thread for them on the

Television Forum at Outpost Gallifrey. But I think it's time for me

to stop posting them here. After all, this was always meant to be a

way for me to mentally relax myself. When posting reviews on the

Internet for a television show starts to actually create stress

instead of relieve it, that's probably a sign that it's time to stop.

STORY

that

I don't know. I've explained twice in this thread - indeed, in the

quoted section - exactly why I have, late in the game, revised my

sequence to include the uniforms. Namely, that I'm including the

unfilmed scripts, and that one of them explicitly makes uniform

continuity an issue. Since I'm including the script, I don't see how

I can ignore the continuity issues that are very much a part of that

script. So far as I can see, no one has actually made a reply to that

point. But I'm honestly too tired to keep arguing it.

I've enjoyed doing these reviews, and posting these reviews here.

I've enjoyed seeing what reaction they get. But lately, it's stopped

being so much fun. Some of that's reaction - these days, it seems the

reviews are either ignored or draw complaints, sometimes complaints

that have little enough to do with what I actually wrote (the reaction

to my "Legend of the Rangers" review, in particular, had vehement

replies to criticisms of the show... that were mostly not the

criticisms I had actually made). But in fairness, that's not all of

it. After all, the single most negative reaction one of my reviews

ever got was, I believe, "Grail" - and that was a very long time ago

now. It's just that this has all started to feel a bit draining.

I'll continue to write the reviews - with 18 reviews left, it would be

silly not to - and I'll still post them to my thread for them on the

Television Forum at Outpost Gallifrey. But I think it's time for me

to stop posting them here. After all, this was always meant to be a

way for me to mentally relax myself. When posting reviews on the

Internet for a television show starts to actually create stress

instead of relieve it, that's probably a sign that it's time to stop.

Which raises another thing that's been building for a while...

I've enjoyed doing these reviews, and posting these reviews here.

I've enjoyed seeing what reaction they get. But lately, it's stopped

being so much fun. Some of that's reaction - these days, it seems the

reviews are either ignored or draw complaints, sometimes complaints

that have little enough to do with what I actually wrote (the reaction

to my "Legend of the Rangers" review, in particular, had vehement

replies to criticisms of the show... that were mostly not the

criticisms I had actually made). But in fairness, that's not all of

it. After all, the single most negative reaction one of my reviews

ever got was, I believe, "Grail" - and that was a very long time ago

now. It's just that this has all started to feel a bit draining. <<

silly not to - and I'll still post them to my thread for them on the

Television Forum at Outpost Gallifrey. But I think it's time for me

to stop posting them here. After all, this was always meant to be a

way for me to mentally relax myself. When posting reviews on the

Internet for a television show starts to actually create stress

instead of relieve it, that's probably a sign that it's time to stop. <<

Oh, please don't do that! I'm asking you to _please_ reconsider! And

those

of you reading the thread who enjoy these reviews, please pop in and show

your support for JP. I mean, obviously, I can just pull them out of the

Yahoo group and post them here, but I'd rather it be something you

actively

want.

Whenever I pop in to moderate and see that there's a review from you, I'm

always pleased that there's going to be something really interesting to

read.

I sincerely enjoy these reviews, and if I've been any part of discussions

that have caused you stress, I'm sorry for it. But you have to remember,

the

criticism is largely _not_ being directed at you; it's just that people

have

such strong opinions about this show, they can't help arguing their points

even this many years after cancellation.

Amy

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On Apr 27, 8:17 pm, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone­.com> wrote:

I don't know. I've explained twice in this thread - indeed, in the

quoted section - exactly why I have, late in the game, revised my

sequence to include the uniforms. Namely, that I'm including the

unfilmed scripts, and that one of them explicitly makes uniform

continuity an issue. Since I'm including the script, I don't see how

I can ignore the continuity issues that are very much a part of that

script. So far as I can see, no one has actually made a reply to that

point. But I'm honestly too tired to keep arguing it.

I'll continue to write the reviews - with 18 reviews left, it would be

silly not to - and I'll still post them to my thread for them on the

Television Forum at Outpost Gallifrey. But I think it's time for me

to stop posting them here. After all, this was always meant to be a

way for me to mentally relax myself. When posting reviews on the

Internet for a television show starts to actually create stress

instead of relieve it, that's probably a sign that it's time to stop.

I'll continue to write the reviews - with 18 reviews left, it would be

silly not to - and I'll still post them to my thread for them on the

Television Forum at Outpost Gallifrey. But I think it's time for me to

stop posting them here. After all, this was always meant to be a way

for me to mentally relax myself. When posting reviews on the Internet

for a television show starts to actually create stress instead of

relieve it, that's probably a sign that it's time to stop.

Oh, please don't do that! I'm asking you to _please_ reconsider! And those

of you reading the thread who enjoy these reviews, please pop in and show

your support for JP. I mean, obviously, I can just pull them out of the

Yahoo group and post them here, but I'd rather it be something you actively

want.

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:49:02 GMT, Amy Guskin wrote:

...

Seconded. I can't say I always agree with your reviews, but I consistently

enjoy reading them.

Which raises another thing that's been building for a while...

I've enjoyed doing these reviews, and posting these reviews here.

I've enjoyed seeing what reaction they get. But lately, it's stopped

being so much fun. Some of that's reaction - these days, it seems the

reviews are either ignored or draw complaints, sometimes complaints

that have little enough to do with what I actually wrote (the reaction

to my "Legend of the Rangers" review, in particular, had vehement

replies to criticisms of the show... that were mostly not the

criticisms I had actually made). But in fairness, that's not all of

it. After all, the single most negative reaction one of my reviews

ever got was, I believe, "Grail" - and that was a very long time ago

now. It's just that this has all started to feel a bit draining.

I'll continue to write the reviews - with 18 reviews left, it would be

silly not to - and I'll still post them to my thread for them on the

Television Forum at Outpost Gallifrey. But I think it's time for me

to stop posting them here. After all, this was always meant to be a

way for me to mentally relax myself. When posting reviews on the

Internet for a television show starts to actually create stress

instead of relieve it, that's probably a sign that it's time to stop.

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:40:00 -0400, Dave Hayslett wrote:

I agree.Jphalt'srevie­ws are something I lookforward to on this group.

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On Apr 28, 2:38 pm, Craig <CBobc...@SBCGlobal­.net> wrote:

Fair enough. A lot of the post last night came from just general

exhaustion, anyway. I haven't been entirely in a "happy place" for

the last week or so, so I probably was a bit quicker to react to